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OK, so I've seen the posts now saying there is some issues when you buy a toon on the Bizaar. Last night, we had a guy that wanted to be recruited in our lounge that bought a 18mil Sp carrier toon for an unreasonable amount of money. He can't do anything with it. He's screwed and he admitted it. I don't feel bad for him. He made the choice. He was the one who didn't read the fine print when he bought the toon.

Good. I don't need that in my corp. Part of EVE is consquence and getting good at the game. If you're that dense that you can't buy a toon right why would I want a player who is new or has a young toon that is fixing his/her skillpoints? He still has months to go, but he's clearly not suited for what we do an a corp or alliance. Now, with this new... system... EVE can be over run by new/returning people who don't know what they are doing, dying because they don't un or getting rejected like that dude, and then quitting. Why? Because it's still not going to fix the skillpoint v skillset issue.

CCP, this sucks !!!! Yeah okay, it's a good ideea. Especially for old players that got atached to the game. It's a good oportunity to resculpture their characters after understanding the game better and knowing what they wanna do. But taking away 500k SP and giving only 150k back sucks. At least give half or 200k back . It's like giving a man in the desert a glass of water and tell him he can dring only half !!

As I said, a punch in the face for all veteran players...but sadly we are too few to be important to CCP. At least cut this stupid system at 80 million SP. You shouldn't be able to buy SP if you' character has 80+ mil SP. That makes no sense at all and shows again that CCP only wants to extract the last $$$ out of a dying game.

Be prepared to see this character in a short amount of time in the character bazaaar

The negative feedback came from the usual few hundred angry neckbeards that scream the walls down whenever they change anything at all.

What is the point of even having the skill system at all with this change? It seems to be "level 5 or nothing". Why would anybody who is competitive have anything less? What is the benefit to players compared to say no skills at all? It seems to be mostly a way for CCP to extract money while players race to the top.

That depends on the price of skills. Say it costs 2500 ISK per skillpoint to buy these (making a skillpack about the price of a PLEX). Then 10 million SP costs 30 billion ISK from 0 and more if you already have SPs, which is non-trivial. Being competitive at cruiser size ships with some options (i.e. not just one race/hull, not just one weapon system, etc) would probably need 15-20 million SP so that's quite a lot of ISK to either grind or buy.

What most people here have wrong, though, is that this is nothing at all like the character bazaar. With the bazaar I could only buy a whole new character. I had to get all the money, then buy the toon and put up with however it was configured skill wise. Then to buy more skills I need to have multiple toons or replace my toon again.

With the skillpoint trading system I can incrementally improve my character a little at a time and actually *use* those improvements while saving. Say it takes 6 months to get that 30 bil, I can be using half of the skills after 3 months by buying the first half of the skillpacks. Since there will be an isk/SP value on these things and there is already an isk/hour value on a lot of stuff then there will effectively be a SP/hour value on activities like incursion running, missions, ratting, etc.

So what this change really does is allow people to gain skills by playing the game instead of training them passively. OK so it's a bit lumpy -- you can't just buy gunnery V without buying other SPs along with it but it's the same thing. Want to train for today's FOTM setup? How many SP do you need? How many SP/hour to you make? Go grind those SPs. I think a lot of people probably *want* a change like that, particularly new players, but some of us probably liked the old system because we wouldn't get beaten so often by someone who just spent a lot longer grinding than we did ...

A titan is expensive. Therefore there will not be many titans.

The Character Bizarre was already pay to win. At least this way RMT becomes more difficult

So I approve!

Okay, I've read enough salt-encrusted posts by entitled whiners.

This is my main. There are many like it. But this one is mine. I would never consider selling it. But I would consider selling off some misplaced SP because I had no one to tell me what was good to train or even for what learning skills were used back in 2009. I have completely wasted SP in mining and industry on this toon. I want to sell them.

I really don't care what my SP total is, other than as some sort of vague e-peen wagging. Sure it feels good to look at it and occasionally take it out and blow my load all over someone. But it is not what makes Soldarius Soldarius. It is, like everything else on the character sheet, a part of the character. Even if I do not choose to use any of the various character modification options that CCP has given us, I am glad to know they are there. So if I want to modify my clothes, my portrait, my ships, or soon my SP allocations, I can.

If there is one thing I have learned about Eve, it is that your irl wallet size is not directly proportional to your skill in game. TMC, EN24, and others are packed full of articles showcasing potatoes that think eve is p2w. They pull out dad's credit card and plex their way to that all purple marauder and think they are invincible.

I don't care how many SP you have or how many purples you have. If you don't know how to play the game and whip out your wallet on day 1, you will still get #HAZED mercilessly until you either HTFU or gb2wow.

On the other hand, if this gives a noob some incentive to farm up for a bit and accelerate himself into some of those low-SP doctrine ships like Svipuls, Caracals, T1 logi, or a Celestis for FU fleet, I'm okay with that. I don't doubt for a minute the most wealthy entities will throw injectors onto the market at cost in their local trade hub. Or maybe even give them away as an incentive to join. Jita injectors will get manipulated. New stuff always does.

As far as SP-farming, if it is profitable, I will do it. For me, that would be if I can make enough to pay for the extractors for one month of training + 1 PLEX per account. I might even pay PLEX to do multi-character training if there is enough profit in it. My goal would be to net 1 PLEX per month per character.

One of the few posts that made any sense or showed any redeeming qualities was the suggestion of having SP packs that focus on specific skills. I think that's a capital idea.

So will I, probably even create more "free" alts to gank with, since they need only a limited amount of SP anyway. And who will actually pay the PLEX then? Some newbie scrub will now pay my ganking because he thinks he needs more SP to be competitive? Nice stuff CCP!

Even if it does not pay the full PLEX, so I just sub occasionally, but I will in the end funnel less money to CCP and not more, this is for sure.

And to all the people who want to PLEX AND train? Sorry, no luck for you, no more f2p except if you are space rich and can afford the insane PLEX price.

It's not like no one wrote this in the last thread. It seams CCP is totally ok with it or thinks it will somehow not happen.