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Any way to split out missiles to size fired? Rapid XXX are probably over-representing, but we can't tell from here.

Ed: I suppose we can infer it from the striking LACK of missile damage on the battlecruisers as they are not rapid bonused.

could you do the same but for just current & previous patch?

this graph still has crazy ishtar damage from earlier in the year, and svipul damage spread over the 6 months or whatever when it wasnt even in the game

OH NO, EVERY SHIP IS NOT EQUAL! WE MUST NERF SOMETHING.

you're right, nerf the cane. NERF ALL THE THINGS.

Still waiting for any tables of raw data from Quant.
His graphs are all nice and pretty, but give me hard numbers to compare to.

And why is only PVP referenced? PVE seperately as well please.
What is the purpose of the graphs? To cause further consolidation of fits or to show the disparity of the spread, giving evidence for further balancing requirements?

I would love to get my hands on all that raw data. Put it into summary tables, anonymise it and let me at it, please.
And most tables are only useful if they come with a dictionary, define PVP damage.
Its very easy to assume, that's why I ask for the specific calculations that compose that figure.

I would like to once again push for all drones to be stripped off ALL ships that are not made for them until you get to CBC and BS size ships. Frigs die so easily, and so often to the token light drone dps from a cruiser or two, they are ....mostly,,,, not worth the actual time clock investment to undock. Faction/pirate and T2 frigs aside of course.

As well, the drone DPS on that graph is way over represented because every ship has a few token drones, or a flight of mediums that often do more damage to the target than the actual bonus'd weapons system on the hull.

Tristan
Maulus
Maulus navy
Keres
Worm

Algos
Magus
Dragoon
pontifex

Vexor
Vexor Navy
Arbitrator
Gila
Curse
Pilgrim
Ishtar

Proteus (drone configuration)
Legion (drone configuration LOL)

These are the only sub CBC ships that should have drones. AT ALL.

More likely just wants to solo all the gun cruisers in a frigate/T3D

I don't know what Comet you're talking about, because the one I know gets plenty of DPS without drones. Partly because it has so much CPU and can fit lots of damage mods without making any compromises thanks to its natural hull buffer, which conveniently lets it keep its natural speed and agility.

Common FW fits have two mag stabs, t2 DC, small Anci armor rep, AB/web/scram, then either Railguns or Blaster + Nos/Neut. You get 6.7k EHP with t2 DC and 3x Bulkheads (t2 gives 7.2k EHP) and your DPS is 225 with Antimatter loaded blasters, or 179 with Null.

In comparison, an AC Firetail would have to give up either DPS or compromise its low-ish sig to get that much buffer and you won't have room for something like Comet's repper, and you only get ~180 DPS even with two gyros. You're just not going to win a raw stat competition against a Comet with another navy frig because Comet has the best raw stats. It's not invincible or anything close to it but I'd argue that fitting wise it's certainly much stronger than its competitors as it gets buffer tank basically for free while also having considerable fitting space for whatever else it desires.

Arty vs. Railgun comparison shouldn't be about DPS as Arty is always about alpha damage.

Then you throw in the drones, the fact that Comet aligns to warp in under 3s like an attack frigate (meaning anything short of instalock won't force you to fight) and you've got a very safe ship that can disengage while having multiple effective fittings and it's a pretty scary frigate.

.... for example...

Please tell me how balanced it is that the Moa gets 5 guns with a 5% to damage and 3 light drones While the Thorax gets 5 guns with a 5% to damage and 5 medium drones.

'Cause I bet the chart shows damage received by ships, not damage dealt.

So please people stop complaing about Ishtars and Gilas. The chart doesn't show that drone cruisers are the most effective ships (and no I'm not saying they aren't, I'm just pointing out that's not what the chart shows).


The chart just shows that:

1) people love flying cruisers;
2) one of the most effective weapon to hurt a cruiser are drones.

We all know that.

And BTW anyway it's obvious that drones as a weapon system have the most combined damaged... that's because almost every ship has drones, and even not counting drone boats, drones account for 10%-20% of the DPS of most ships.

So if you take ideally 1 Amarr laser ship, 1 Gallente hybrid ship, 1 Caldari missile ship and 1 Minmatar projectile ship, let's say for sake of simple math they all are perfectly balanced and do 400 DPS from the main system and 100 from drones, you end up with:
400 DPS by lasers
400 DPS by missiles
400 DPS by hybrid
400 DPS by projectile
and guess what, 400 DPS from drones. And there's no drone boat in there.

Add to the mix 1 drone boat (400 DPS from drones + 100 DPS from turrets, ideally) and you get 900 DPS from drone, and "only" 400 from the other systems (with just one that gets 500).

Nothing surprising here.