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[December] Tech Two Logistics Frigates

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Mad Abbat
Talon Swarm
#81 - 2015-12-02 23:19:40 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Mad Abbat wrote:
are you aware that is a niche fit, and w/o 400mm plate that ship is useless in a FW fleet fight?

ofc you can fit like that and be one shotted by a thasher/svipul gang.

you know.. hyenas, derptrons etc etc etc as a supprt ships do fit webs...


You do realize how much low sig and speed add to your tank? Small gangs of 3 of these and some Confessors will be painful.

It adds notnig, when you are webbed and painted.

And yes, as I said, good for small gang, bad for FW plex brawl.
Slaktoid
Perkone
Caldari State
#82 - 2015-12-02 23:32:38 UTC
Logistics is a **** game mechanic. Peace out.
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc.
Rogue Caldari Union
#83 - 2015-12-03 21:28:49 UTC
Obligatory disapproval of additional anti-explosion ships post.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-12-03 22:36:22 UTC
These will also make good fleet tacklers. Look at the scan res.
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#85 - 2015-12-04 02:35:44 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
also not a fan of having sig analysis lv5 as a pre req, training skills too lv5 should be optional as much as possible


All T2 ships require lv5's.
rsantos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2015-12-04 14:31:16 UTC
My 2 cents!

Game doesn't need more combat or logistic frigates! Bye!
Eodp Ellecon
Air
The Initiative.
#87 - 2015-12-05 03:13:46 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Z1gy wrote:
which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP

from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it.



While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier.

So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor.

The question is will it be right on patch day.
Lee Church
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-12-05 16:34:01 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
so why is the amarr one completely inferior to the gallente one in every sense? except capacitor

no inquisitor pilots asked for a 5th low. they wanted a mid. the amarr navy designed a 3rd mid. not a 5th low.

EDIT: Replied to wrong post
Lee Church
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2015-12-05 16:36:20 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Those speeds seem really weird.

415-405 for three and then a drop to 370 for caldari?

The amarr and gallente ships will fit plates. That will drag their speed down to be more in line with the caldari. The minmatar version will then be out ahead of the pack, as it should be.

If the caldari was dragged up to the level of the amarr and gallente, or they were dragged down, the caldari one would be faster just from not using plates, when it is intended to be slower.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2015-12-05 16:49:07 UTC
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Z1gy wrote:
which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP

from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it.



While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier.

So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor.

The question is will it be right on patch day.

They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to.

It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design.

Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be.
BABARR
Primal Elemental
MARABUNTA
#91 - 2015-12-05 21:54:08 UTC
Base speed is too much, stop kidding CCP....
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
#92 - 2015-12-06 11:30:39 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Kirin

Let us know what you think!


Since SiSi has confirmed that these new T2 frigates are based on the T1 Logi frigate hulls, there's something you should be made aware of.

In the Kamokor system in Lonetrek is a Data Center for the Caldari State, where several agents can be found. One of them (Korhonomi Oti) is in-space in a Bantam.

Except it's a T2 Bantam and it's called a Sparrow, not a Kirin.

He's been there, in that same Sparrow, since I started playing in 2007, probably longer. Back then the ship had the Lai Dai paintjob, but it lost that skin a couple of graphical overhauls ago.

Go and have a look. I just did, and he's still there.

This leaves CCP with two choices: Either to change the agent's ship class to a Kirin, or rename the Kirin ships to Sparrow. The latter makes sense because it's a small bird, when many Caldari vessels are already named after birds, and the T1 > T2 progression is from one small bird (the Bantam) to another (the Sparrow), while the Kirin is a mythological quadruped of an inappropriate size.

But knowing CCP's level of competence, the Kirin will probably prevail.

Please bring the Sparrow into EVE in the role it's always intended to be. Use the Kirin name for a later ship class (preferably something bigger than a tiny frigate!)
Eodp Ellecon
Air
The Initiative.
#93 - 2015-12-07 00:16:29 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Z1gy wrote:
which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP

from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it.



While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier.

So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor.

The question is will it be right on patch day.

They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to.

It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design.

Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be.



Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2015-12-07 02:28:11 UTC
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Z1gy wrote:
which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP

from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it.



While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier.

So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor.

The question is will it be right on patch day.

They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to.

It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design.

Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be.



Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body.

the nemesis has been on the tristan line since way before crius. They didnt move it anywhere for that. They updated the nemesis model when inferno brought missile launcher models, and they updated the tristan last year along with some other skins and such. The purifier has been based off of the Inquisitor hull, since before the inquisitor was a logistics frigate.

What purpose would moving the purifier from the inquisitor do? It's surely not the first hull to have 2 T2 variants from it. You say it's "needed", but why is it really needed? Is there some sort of downside to having it the way it is? Or, what benefit would switching the hulls have?

but, then again, I was answering the question of what they were based from, not why they should be changed or remain the same.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#95 - 2015-12-08 03:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Eodp Ellecon wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Z1gy wrote:
which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP

from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it.



While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier.

So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor.

The question is will it be right on patch day.

They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to.

It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design.

Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be.



Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body.



you do understand that a t1 bpo can be researched into more than one type of t2 bpc right?
soranno
14th Legion
#96 - 2015-12-12 10:45:15 UTC
Makes no sense to me that these are prevented from entering FW small plexes.
Assuming it was just an oversight, and not a bizarre decision, I hope it wont take weeks to fix it.
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#97 - 2015-12-16 03:24:08 UTC
this fix doesnt take 6 months to work out. t2 logi frigates in fw in the small.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#98 - 2015-12-18 09:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sitting Bull Lakota
The deacon looks like the inquisitor.
The purifier is also based off of the inquisitor.

Clearly the purifier is out of place right?
Wrong.

Before the Retribution release, the Inquisitor was a combat frigate with a bonus to missile damage.
With the first grand round of tiericide, the old mining/logi hybrid frigates and cruisers were totally redone.

The navitas lost its mining bonus and gained armor repair.
The burst lost its mining bonus and gained shield repair.
The bantam lost its mining bonus and gained shield repair.
The tormentor lost its mining bonus and gained small energy turret cap usage and damage.

Well that makes sense right?


I complained then (not on the forums), and I'll complain now.

Let us a raise a glass of good rum to the Li'l Missile Murder Frig that never got the chance.