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I think I might have an answer to the flexibility to shattered wormhole ice mining. 3 little words;

"Mobile Compression Depot"

huh, huh?

26,250,000 x 6 = 157,500,000isk and I play 5 - 7 days of the week so we'll say 6 days = 945,000,000isk/hour
=
945,000,000 ISK / week(s, even if it is more than one consecutive week, although that amount would double), not per hour.


(Previously hacked from the "Draft saved" function which is more hacked than functional btw, similarly to how I was attacked while mining ice, and somewhat retrieved from memory...)

I did mine Dark Glitter in the (greater than sign, no HTML allowed) ORE (lesser than sign, no HTML allowed) owned region (Outer Ring) and got about 13 units in over one hour.
This time includes the Black Ops jumping of a retriever (with a Blockade Runner), and then docking at a nearby NPC station to Assemble the ship.

Anyways, I also got destroyed , and the insurance of the Retriever was worth more than the value of the Ice or the Retriever cost.

I plan on improving my income ratio, and 2 ships would close to double the income / profit ratio.
3 ships are feasible and would also bring 15 drones into the equation for defense.

Anyways, I think this new ship would be an expedition frigate to test the Ice waters before sending a better equipped mining fleet.
Like its name involved, it may be better suited or designed for Expedition to discover locations to mine Ice.

As for my findings and test results, those are the best I got so far, and it is up to me to use them to improve on my future work to try to increase my income (mining more Dark Glitter).
I may have succeeded to get 1 or 3 units before, but only to lose them in more disastrous ways and with less profit.


Now, the best thing to do when asked to replace the text with current Saved draft (which does show properly before chosing Yes or No btw), is to copy paste the shown or displayed text and keep it somewhere safer than this forum because it can very well delete the Saved draft no matter what choice is used.
It tends to like to switch the command like if it didn't understand what it was doing or talking about.

Don't get caught?

Will the Endurance have the full penalty to scan resolution from cloaking devices? It would make sense to remove or reduce that penalty, since the targeting delay is also reduced. The Prospect doesn't have this penalty due to covops cloaks not having it.

I'm curious about why the Endurance won't have the covops cloak though. Why did it not get that ability?

sory engişh bad :)

venture şhip size 133 m - 5000 m3 ore hold
prospect ship size 139 m - 10 000 m3
discover /maybe ship size 150m / 15 000 m3


hulk ship size 509 m - 8500 m3

what is this
o7

As a hi-sec ice miner the only time I may use these ships is when setting up in a new system, they will be easy to setup in my HQ then load into an orca or transport.

I am a little worried about the size of the hold though, 15000 is too big for a frigate, it is just making life easier for those who will use it. At worst drop it down to 12000 the same as a prospect, at best 10000 is more than enough.

Looking back at previous posts it appears there will only be 25 places to use this ship at its best, so gankers paradise, add that to the fact they cannot get a mining boost in frigate only areas or even decent hauling and this ship will be used by a couple of wh'ers.

So a bit of a waste of time for almost everyone in the game, instead of making ships this like this please give us a dedicated ice miner with all round capabilities like tank/hold, its about time.

And as a side note putting ore compression on this will suddenly turn it into the most used mining ship in the game and make most of the others pointless for solo miners. Compressor's should be kept out of mining ships, although putting one on an Orca would be fun.

A Blue Venture

repeat

A Blue Venture

yeaaaahhh



Exactly

Ninja mining never worked and never going to work.
About the best it did is ninjaing some arkonor from wh for megacyte, but was never essential, never profitable, never viable.

Again, tried Google translate on the wall of text above, couldn't decipher the intent.

This will be used A LOT in high-risk areas, and even in vanilla high-sec anoms. There are PLENTY of other uses for this ship, if you can't theorycraft it or figure it out you are doing it wrong. I'm not talking PvP, either, though Endurancelol fleets are possible.

I personally have crafted a gas/ice expedition frigate alt just for this ship/family. Cant wait!

/cse

"Worst" barge? Depends on your idea of what is good or bad. I personally quite like the Procurer, and solo mining it performs significantly better than the Covetor.


Hulk and Covetor are only good if you're mining with hauling support, otherwise the Retriever/Mackinaw or Procurer/Skiff are far better