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Sarcasm on the internet is tricky. I interpreted your post to mean you thought f2p would massively slash the population - the exact opposite of what you were replying to - rather than merely have a lesser effect as you apparently meant.

ehm alright ...

This idea came up after years of discussing how to bring more new players to eve and have them stick longer than the 2-3 weeks trial, right?

The first question which pops up:

- Is it going to attract more new people to Eve and have them stick longer?
- If new players don`t stick because of the idea they can never catch up on older players than what is this idea to which they think never can live up to? It seems to be new players think 'big = more guns = better'. And, will this trading skills system going to change that idea?

Everything about Eve if you first join radiates: Big = more guns = better. Also on the killboards there is no other differentiation but DPS. You either got lots of DPS or you have got a fleet with lots of DPS so you can get on top of the killboard. The single role which is celebrated is the role of DPS.

Reward different roles equally and this idea new players have might change so they can live up to the idea they too can be part of something within a reasonable amount of time. Change the killboards for example to also show the fleet who did the most reps so they could deiliver the most DPS. In stead of DPS rules all.

New players can live up to some of these roles in short notice and feel they are doing something which adds up to each individual taking part in a fleet.

Finally, there is no example in real life where you can get skilled in something from one day into the other. It feels counter intuitive. And, for those games who actually have these trade offs, skills for money and vice versa, are the games built on hypes. Where new players come and go rapidly anyway.

Either way, I do love the idea but I don`t think it will have new players stay longer then the 2-3 weeks trial.

Celebrate every role equally. Tell the story of EVE both in numbers and in roles on a daily basis. Killboards should go more in depth, unraveling the story of teamwork.

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Just some additional thoughts.

If a player doesn't likes the game enough when he haves low skills, he's unlikely to like it further just with more skills. Having more skills doesn't makes the game better, or more enjoyable.

What a faster skilling does for sure, is to shorten up the tenure of those disatisfied players, who rather than sit on the fence for months can find out sooner that their issue is not with skills, but with the game.

So, players who enjoy the game and would become long term players will become it the same (just faster or for a higher price), and EVE will just burn out and churn faster those who don't like the game enough to play it for a decade but currently need a couple of years to notice that EVE is not made for them.

I can understand how CCP may be a bit more worried than CCP Quant implies with the PCU numbers, but I can't sympathize with their misled efforts to revert that situation.

EVE has stopped growing in the worst way possible: first, it has given up new players by adding "Level 80" content only, and second it has compounded that by neglecting (out of unawareness or poor decission making) the core of its population, the silent but dependable highsec solo PvE cash cows.

Selling them that Raven faster is not going to change anything. It's just a feast today, famine tomorrow situation.

I don't see that much of a difference in the outcome that you get when someone with too much money buys a character from the character bazaar.

As I sit in a bait venture on a gas site waiting for the stupid proteus pilot who obviously has no clue try to scan me down with combat probes, I knew he bought his pilot and I was pondering the whole "if you're bad no amount of skill points will fix that" line of thinking. Couldn't scan down the venture and apparently didn't realize he could just warp to the gas site to get me (and disregarding that everything we were doing smelled like a complete trap to anyone who has played eve for more than a couple of weeks) so I warped into his probes for him with an industrial.

This skill pack idea will probably yeild the same effect. More shiny kills from dumbasses who don't know what they are doing.

There's probably many ways to exploit this I'm sure. The prices involved would be an important factor in determining how I guess but other than the fact that it's a small step in the direction of pay to win I don't really see how this will hurt anyone but the people who use it.

CCP I will really appreciate if you public anonymous statistic of this thread. Especially
I want to know how often same person used different characters to post.

I can't afford as many as vet can and my terrible russian accent should already gave me up but I have no alt. "con" mans could be real con-mans.

Thanks god. I thought you blame me again as several previous times.


Which ones? Just interesting.

Will Howard looks like Dror. They have similar avatars(style), same month of birth and Will Howard poped up after I mentioned Dror. I could mistaken as you know and all of this is just coincidence.

Yeap, this is sad.
Anyway only CCP could say it for sure. Script is needed to group up charachters with same account than accounts with same owner and finally some monotone work(read several posts of each owner to determine his position "con" or "pro") Result must show how many alts were used on each side.

Now you become a nice guy. Stay this way.

First you blamed me in trolling then in spamming so I used inductive logic because you didn't specify whom you talked about. And this kind of logic has problem.

Maybe they have same photographer You will be surprised how different alts could be in way of posting.

Menthioning miscommunication third time in the row I think it's too much.

adding to that I think new players should start with something near to mastery level 3 with frigs

Sounds like an even less hassle version of renting.

Are we exploring the renting bazaar and region trading?