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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5821 - 2015-11-20 14:37:16 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:

Thats the whole point your just some clueless ignorant newb who wants everything with no effort or time investment

Calm down and breathe deeply.
Don't do the same mistake again.

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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5822 - 2015-11-20 14:44:43 UTC
General Lootit wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:

Thats the whole point your just some clueless ignorant newb who wants everything with no effort or time investment

Calm down and breathe deeply.
Don't do the same mistake again.

Your just the epitome of a troll, i have no need to calm down the only thing i feel is sorry for someone like you. Your like the bottom of a babies pram, full of pi$$ wind and broken biscuits and to add to that not had one idea of your own bought to this thread just jump on others or pick at quotes that for the most part make you look simple in your replies.

Feel free to delete this whole troll fest @ your leisure ISD.

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General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5823 - 2015-11-20 14:51:25 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:

i have no need to calm down

OK then
Don ZOLA wrote:

Just let him rage on :)

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Vahligmarr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5824 - 2015-11-20 16:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vahligmarr
Levi didn't you notice, we have been trolled the last 290 pages :)

First, when the OP startet this as a feedback thread without answering a single line of the feedback...we only know, as stated on Vegas, CCP Seagull thinks it is very important for the game...

After that Dave came and trolled 150 pages with his one and only argument "you are able to buy SP already via the Bazaar and you can do SPT without real money because somebody else can buy it for you..."

Then the other two showed up, spamming the same argument, twisting it in every direction...

I wonder how important a change can be, when its main pro argument is, we already have something like it, because of Plex/Bazaar

O.o
Josef Djugashvilis
#5825 - 2015-11-20 16:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills is not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.

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Vahligmarr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5826 - 2015-11-20 16:30:22 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.


Tell CCP seagull please <.<
Josef Djugashvilis
#5827 - 2015-11-20 16:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Vahligmarr wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.


Tell CCP seagull please <.<


She already knows :)

What bothers me, is the sad attempt to pass it off as an improvement for us, the players, rather than being open and honest and simply saying that (they) CCP need the extra income for whatever reason.

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Vahligmarr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5828 - 2015-11-20 16:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vahligmarr
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Vahligmarr wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.


Tell CCP seagull please <.<


She already knows :)

What bothers me, is the sad attempt to pass it off as an improvement for us, the players, rather than being open and honest and simply saying that (they) CCP need the extra icome for whatever reason.


Yeah, exactly. A huge disappointment. If they are in need of more income, they should tell us. I would gladly pay 20$ a month subscription, if they leave some fundamentals as they are with the promise that they don't go f2p
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#5829 - 2015-11-20 17:32:30 UTC
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#5830 - 2015-11-20 17:42:25 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.


Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!

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General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5831 - 2015-11-20 17:48:39 UTC
Vahligmarr wrote:

Yeah, exactly. A huge disappointment. If they are in need of more income, they should tell us. I would gladly pay 20$ a month subscription, if they leave some fundamentals as they are with the promise that they don't go f2p

General Lootit wrote:
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Just make players pay more, and there are players who are willing to pay more. It's all about the price.

Any money to keep a crown.

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Vahligmarr
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5832 - 2015-11-20 19:19:04 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.


I want new players to join because its a good game not because it's free to play. Trial is free already, one month should be enough to decide if you like it.
Josef Djugashvilis
#5833 - 2015-11-20 20:33:09 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.


Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!


Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5834 - 2015-11-21 00:01:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.


Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!


Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling.

Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko

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HanterRU Z
ROMANIAN GANGSTERS
#5835 - 2015-11-21 01:12:33 UTC

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i just noticed this post by the devs.


So SP can be traded if this patch happens and bought and sold on eve market...mmm like plex yes..


Lets see..we have PLEX which can be purchased with real world cash.. this can be sold ingame for isk..then this in turn can now be turned in to bought SP..

So people with loads of cash in real life can simply buy thier way to a stronger bigger toon..and those who cant..deal with it and train for yrs..

i remember that leaked memo..


GREED IS GOOD..remember that ccp


im not suprised the server population has dropped from a steady 52k at peak times to barley crossing 30k threshold


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HanterRU Z
ROMANIAN GANGSTERS
#5836 - 2015-11-21 01:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: HanterRU Z
heres a run down of a few yrs ago

1) CCP announces their “Ambulation” or “Walking in Stations” expansion sometime in 2006. Some people get excited at the prospect. Others ***** at how this takes away from real game issues, and how there are more important things to take care of.

2) Teaser after teaser for the expansion gets released over the years. Gameplay systems and bugs get fixed, lag is patched over and over, and more interaction is added to the EVE universe. Among them, players can conquer sectors of space, mine for minerals on planets with special equipment, run deepspace instances, explore wormholes, create new items and train new skills. During this period, “walking in stations” is seemingly vaporware, save for an update to the character creation engine late last year, seemingly in preparation for the update.

3) In May 2011, CCP holds the first ever EVE Fanfest, which according to their website “…brings together players in a massive celebration of the virtual world of EVE Online.” It seems to be a huge success, bringing CCP and the community together like never before.

4) Less than one month later, this all falls apart:

a) During a tournament, CCP shows a new gold colored battleship, available from their new microtransation store, the aptly named “Noble Exchange.” People rage at the implication of being able to buy a ship that took others months of saving to get. More rage at paying $50 to buy a ship as easily destructible as any other battleship.
b) Days later, a developer posts about a fee to post third party apps for EVE Online on an “App Store”. The words “monitization”, “small fee” and “$99 dollars” are used in the same paragraph. People rage more.
c) Somewhere around here, an internal CCP newsletter is leaked with the title “Greed Is Good?”. People get even more pissed off.
d) Incarna launches. Clothing items including the infamous $68 monocle cause things to go into overdrive.

You clearly want this game F2P cause you think ur missing something..so just go ahead and do it..and stop being all cloak and dagger about it ffs
Veraca Darmazaf
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5837 - 2015-11-21 01:31:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling.

Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko

Yes, clearly the only difference between Dust and EVE, and therefore the only reason for a difference in population, is the payment model.

That's not to say I agree one way or the other on how well EVE would handle a F2P transition, merely that I think that particular argument is silly at best.
Revenant
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5838 - 2015-11-21 01:32:01 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
My gut reaction is negative, but in my attempt to express logical reasons I can only come up with two things I like about it:

1 It is an skill point sink, it will remove skill points from the game.
The best conversion rate is 1:1 where no skill points are lost. In all other cases more skill points are consumed than released and so skill points are removed. I like the concept of this.
As skill points are removed, the existing skill points will have slightly more value, in theory anyway.

2 It will make the construction of fresh spying alts easier, especially if there is no record of it's use in the API. I like the meta possibilities that may arise from it. For those paying attention it would be fairly easy to spot - skill points versus character age.

3 Encourages muppetry. This was going to be a negative until I realised, no wait that's a positive. If players can bling their characters for RL cash the way they bling their ships then that just means more clueless idiots flying around, who don't have the knowledge of how to play the game properly. I am all for this, more juicy targets for shiney loot and killmails.

against :
It does tilt towards pay to win, but no more than already exists. What's the difference between what's proposed here and buying PLEX to turn into ISK to buy a character. It's just a different way to achieve the same ends.


This. While my gut reaction was definitely negative, this post hits it on the head. Still not really a fan of the idea for whatever reason. I would say that selling complete skills versus unallocated SP would be preferred, though I'd prefer a revamped / integrated character bazaar over this concept in general.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#5839 - 2015-11-21 02:35:03 UTC
Veraca Darmazaf wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling.

Heh, that's a great way of putting it Niko

Yes, clearly the only difference between Dust and EVE, and therefore the only reason for a difference in population, is the payment model.

That's not to say I agree one way or the other on how well EVE would handle a F2P transition, merely that I think that particular argument is silly at best.


Not as silly as implying that making a game free to play will automatically make it flooded with activity and players. My point was dismissing that notion as ridiculous. I'm not sure why I'm even explaining this, should be obvious.

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United Eve Directorate
#5840 - 2015-11-21 02:38:40 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
Leonardo Adami wrote:
I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing.


Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!


Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling.


It's not trolling, it's sarcasm.

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