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if you are going with a gang why not bring a real tackle ship. that doesnt move like a brick.

Because the gang might just be 2-3 people, and you want a cheap tackle that can take enormous punishment (pun intended), for a tiny throwaway price. The grid might not be a single cruiser that's easy to kite, it might have other **** on it that's going to catch you, and being able to just pin down the primary while sustaining a solid beating for a minute or more is invaluable.

It doesn't have to have high speed, it just needs to lock onto your average cruiser/bc/bs, and orbit it while being tickled by drones for all eternity. A mwd cruiser with its mwd shut off isn't going to be outrunning your 800 m/s, whether you're webbed or not, nor is your blaster-tier range a problem when your just orbiting it at 500m anyway.

It is a "real tackle ship", its a budget heavy tackle that can do the job immensely well for its tiny price.

They get caught.

Point is, that once they are, they find it very difficult to take the tackle out, so you usually have all day. The solid capacitor makes it surprisingly resistant to neuting also, and to frigs/dessies landing that are friendly to the tackled cruiser.

It's a fantastic heavy tackle that's flexible enough to hold large or small targets and to survive on grids full of red long enough to make ten times its monies worth.

Other frigs will do other things better, especially speed of course, but nothing comes close to the survivability.

That's what "heavy tackle" means to me anyway. It's not a kiter, its an ab, scram, close orbit, mega plated heavy tackle.

When ya can tank so much that a caracal with rapid lights and 3 bcu's, firing into your lowest resist, cant down you before going into it's forever reload, then ya heavy tackling well. Ya can kill the target with a single rail cormorant at that point.

For 5mil, that aint bad.

I prefer my pilots to have skill.

Getting a slow ship consistently in range of a faster ship to apply tackle is part of the gameplay, whether it happens through manual piloting on the grid, bouncing between celestials to get a superior warp in, or getting the target to come to you. It all simply depends on what part of your job you want to be easier. With the punisher, getting the tackle of an evasive opponent is harder, but holding the target for a consistent period of time once successful is what it can do better than anything else its price.

If you are on the offensive then there is no real luck. Ya make it work or try something else.

Nor is it "bad luck" whenever you get beat, you get beat fair and square as well.

give your tackler 15 extra mil and have him fit a caracal. more dps, tank and you can even match the speed of that punisher with an afterburner and a single overdrive.

Okay I tested the Hook and RFF again.
Hook really really does not need that buff. Firetail deserves it.
Nerf the comet damn hell^^

Thank you ccp for those good propositions.
Indeed, i'am very please with those changes on paper.

AMARR FRIGATES
While some are not happy about the punisher, those changes are perfect for it to get its own rôle for fleet or gang tank/dps platform. The tormentor does the brawling rôle well enough for the amarr frigs. In fact, concerning that last ship, it does it welle nough for it not needing a buff.

HOOKBILL
Some changes will give that ship a breath, so props for bringing them in. Don't forget the real problem of that ship is the fitting room beeing awefull as some peoples said earlier on that forum.

GILA/ ORTHRUS/WORM
Very constructive changes here but for the orthrus. When you will nerf it again, and you will, i'am 100% sure you'll come back on that nerf you plan today. Then, it will be a waste of energy and intentions that could have been avoided. For the orthrus, a speed nerf or maybe the removal of a mid slot would appear more constructive. We need those ships allowing solo pvp, but they need to have downsides making the piloting harder, not just the dps so low that they become useless. What make the orthrus so performant as well is the fact they are from those ships most flown by experienced players.

BARGHEST/ BATTLESHIPS IN GENERAL
Here is my issue with that game. The reason that made me quit it so often with anger. While your Barghest proposal is good for now, the battleships are in fact near to useless, PVP wise, for a long time now. I see those changes about frigs and overpowered pirate cruisers, that can all solo kill any passive or active battleship (with enough time/ammo). The battleships are not only underperforming on all regards, they are just so frustrating to fly. I have more fun flying an industrial ship seriosuly...at least it warps at a decent speed...Cutting down BS's and BC's (at some extends) like you did, removed a huge part of the pvp gameplay out of eve. A part that is one of the reason us veterans are leaving it little by little. I sometime have the feeling I paid an abonment from 2008 to this day in the sole hope of flying perfectly a tormentor at the end, which is efficient already from day 1 in eve witht he current newbie skills. Those OP frigates I have to turn to while letting my Battleships in station, had cost me 3000$ of abonment, between this char and alts, for very little gain pvp experience wise. I wan't to have fun. Frigates are fun. But they are not ALL of the fun.

Troll

What do you think the Focus Group Tactical Destroyers exists for? You think the Svipul and the Confessor gonna stay as they are ?