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What's the problem with this?

Well, take someone like me as an example. I currently have two Titan pilots, one Supercarrier pilot, and three Carrier/Dreadnought pilots. At the moment, I own one Titan, twelve Carriers, and seven Dreadnoughts. In the world of jump fatigue, this makes sense to me, because I can stage jump clones and capital ships where they are most useful.

The only thing stopping me from having enough ISK for multiple Supercapital ships is lack of desire to grind it out. My alliance's space is good enough that I can easily pull in a Titan every couple of months without too much effort. You just have to be willing to keep logging in and shooting red shapes. The only thing stopping me from having two Titans and three Supercarriers (or five of each) is that they are currently character coffins. Once I can start docking the Supercapital ships, why would I continue to use regular Carriers vice Supercarriers?

One possible answer is that Carriers are way more disposable than Titans and Supercarriers. This means a small gang player can actually use them. Outside of moving ops and bridging fleets around, I can count on one hand the number of times I have used my Titan since I got it three years ago. Opportunities for a small gang player to throw around a Titan just are not that common. Once you start, you immediately get added to every watchlist imaginable, and then get bushwhacked. In that same time frame, I have used my three Capital pilots innumerable times (and not always in blob situations). Dropping three Revelations on a Triage Carrier is just as fun and effective as dropping an Avatar on a Triage Carrier.

So, yes, for the large fleet fights, where you are only planning to fight alongside two hundred other Capswarm pilots, it makes perfect sense to upgrade to a Supercarrier. You are never going to use it in a situation you can lose it. For everyone else, Carriers still have a very valid use.

I don't know that I can agree with that assessment, Burst and Scythes are perfectly good and viable fleet ships. Would you want to try to 5 man gang in one? Probably not if you could use something else. But they are not invaluable, given the right circumstances and possible counter to another sub-capital fleet.

But the discussion isn't focused on subcapitals, but Capitals.

There are 4 combat Capitals, with one questionable Capital newly proposed, currently each one is unique in one way or another. That uniqueness among peers is being removed.

Instead we will be getting T1 Dread and T2 'Special Snowflake' Dread (Titan), T1 Carrier (gutted) and T2 'Super' Carrier (but a hell of a lot better).

This 'tech tree' progression style is concerning, but again, my main issue is towards how the Carrier is getting shafted, and has nothing that leaves it as a unique and interesting option. Becoming nothing more than a poor mans Super Carrier and a bargain basement 'low cost' alternative.

If you disagree with me Querns, it's cool - but I don't know what benefit having a debate about it in a feedback thread will be?

I can say that because there have been times that the use of such ships was appealing specifically because the goal was ISK efficiency in a tactical engagement.

At the Capital level ISK efficiency might be less a consideration vs. Force projection, Area Denial through hard-tanking enemy subcap fleets, and Damage output abilities.

If you're gonna swing the hammer, then swing it son

Tends to be how Capitals are used, so long as there is a counter-counter drop available. But again, how is asking me this 'feedback' to Capital changes?

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I can appreciate that rationale from the development side of things. Giving dreads a large enough fleet hangar to carry both sets of guns would be very beneficial since they can refit off each other now (without a weapons timer at least) and make the inability to hit subcaps with standard guns sting less. The concern I have here is that you're removing the ability to drop a small number of expensive, difficult to use ships and radically add to your group's DPS. You didn't really dispute the assertion that the current level of dps deployed by blap dreads was a problem, but the high angle guns cannot and should not match that dps level if they get sufficient tracking as to apply dps unaided. What I'd like to see would be the other dreads getting to where the phoenix is now in terms of balance; good, definitely usable, but not broken and requiring extensive specialized support to reach it's potential. It seems as though Citadel missiles already got their 'good vs. capitals, not broken vs. subcaps' balance pass, so good place to start. Perhaps a damage reduction factor based on a comparison of your tracking speed versus target signature radius?

Alternatively, perhaps a script on high-angle guns to reduce tracking to current XL levels with a corresponding damage increase so you can maintain the distinctness of the weapon systems. This might be the most elegant solution if you can manage both a script and ammo in the same gun, or introduce new ammo types otherwise.

So the only difference is the amount of ISK at stake?

Again, fail to see how that is relevant.

That would be largely ineffective; the pilots that do jump to the cynosural field can simply light additional cynosural fields.

Damn you mean the week I just spent moving ships to Khanid, in a SUITCASE carrier - Isn't what I was doing?
Some of us have no choice but to live with fatigue and do things the old fashioned way.
Can't afford to fire sale everything when moving so have to do it the only other way I can. Of course it means not actually playing the game for a week.
Fatigue is just plain bad as is the extent of jump range nerfs but CCP don't care about the individual or smaller group, it is all about the game breaking blobs.

Again, CCP not considering the smaller groups - removing the RR role from carriers simply makes smaller groups less effective in battle.

No problem with it being nothing more than a drone boat, except it removes a lot of its usefulness for anyone not in Goons or PL..

When ignoring and boring your enemy to death is your only option to get them to leave (or be forced to pay them as PL tried to inflict on at least one small alliance in Querious recently) It doesn't make for interesting game play. CCP is handing the elitists a win win with these changes.

and judging by some of the Dev responses here - They know that is what they are doing.. CCP Larrikin is no true Aussie, his forefathers would hang their heads in shame. (if your not an Aussie you will not understand my last comment - Hopefully he will)

I proposed this very thing during Jump Fatigue 'feedback', as an alternative to its institution.

Now that Jump Fatigue is in place, a Cynosural Field mass cap is irrelevant, as a mass cap only addresses force projection not the ships themselves; which this Capital rework will be addressing.

Oh Cry some more tears on not able to move everything from one side of new eden to the other. Twice every weekend.

Jump drives were so OP from day one it was stupid. So freeking stupid that you can put that suitcase carrier where the sun don't shine.

He is a true Aussie. But you are some kind of sheep loving crazy guy that wonders why others have rams.

Seriously HTFU. And stop giving down under a bad name.