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So if the Vets, and moderatly skilled use there skillpoints to create alts or to boost exisitng, your example is then flipped, Newbro's have no experience, no skills and the vets have more skills on more characters, experience and the newbro's are sitting wondering WTF is happening.

Funny you mention that. I have raised concerns that allowing carriers use gates would be negating the cyno jammers effectiveness, but I didn't think it would ruin nullsec.

Getting rid of clone upgrades completely is one of the worst changes CCP has made in EVE. While I completely understand the rationale and agree that the old mechanic was pretty bad, removing consequences from dying was a big mistake. Yes, the old mechanic did not provide any meaningful choice, it was just a stupid thing you had to do every time you got podded. Still, in a game like EVE (where the CEO himself has stated several times that "Death is a serious matter" was the first line that was written about the game) completely removing consequences from the literal death was a betrayal of everything it stands for. If they didn't bother to spend some time and energy to work on something this fundamental, it begs the question does CCP even know what EVE is about?

I will give you that, I am pretty pessimistic. I guess you could call me a bitter vet. But this pessimism doesn't stem from "I had to warp to gates at 15km, both ways, with rats and pirates on each side." It comes from years of experience and disappointment with CCP's lack of loyalty to its players and it's lack of respect for the core values of EVE. These are the things that got EVE and CCP to where they are today and they have been under constant attack since Incarna.

This proposal caters to instant gratification sort of players. Those players will never work out in EVE anyway. It is not the kind of game for them. At the same time it annoys and demoralizes the core players. Those who play EVE seriously spend days, weeks, months and even years planning, building, destroying, in other words creating content. The very content that brings people in and keeps them in this game. Those players get fatigued by all these changes that don't align with EVE and that in turns leads to them burning out, losing interest and not spending the energy on creating content.

I agree with the change. CCP is right with the SP penalty, without it only the rich veterans would use this.

This feature should be aimed towards new players and low SP characters.

Then it is nice that skills are hardcapped in EVE. So when both the newbie and the veteran have all skills affecing one type of ship maxed at V they are on equal grounds(sp wise). So it is indeed not a arms race, as it ends at level V. Arms races keep escalating pr defenition.

Below is my answer to you.

Dave, that proposal i put forward of CCP doing it instead of it being player governed still retains its diminishing returns. It then benefits those who need it more than older characters. Its not something i want at all, but if something has to be implimented then shouldnt it be for the specific groups and not all who could exploit it.

can you please stop pretending that big alliances don't already have every type of pilot they need. it's honestly getting boring listening to you and the other people bleating "exploited by veterans".

people like goonswarm, the older veterans in PL, the long time players in what used to be the n3 coalition (wherever they ended up) all have all the pilots they need with all the skills they need.

the game has been out 12 years. between 12 years of skill training and however long the char bazaar has been operating more SP for these people is basically a total irrelevance. they already have a character with perfect skills for every activity they need.

the character bazaar is one of the best things eve has for new players - i'll paraphrase the mittani "a new player can level up to the level of their intelligence as soon as they start the game" ~ that is from the meta show at the end of September when he had sort dragon on as a guest and they were discussing the new SP boost for new characters.
why are we hiding such a feature away from the people who benefit from it most?

Specific mains of any type. It honestly undermines the whole of SP -- not that it's a great deterrent now, nor a great progression system.

If you really think, one of the best things for Beginners in EvE, is the ability to buy a high level character on the bazaar, then something with the game is completely wrong.

I said all who could exploit it, i dont need lists of corps nor alliances or quotes.Why does it need to be player orientated over CCP, If it was for customization purposes only then they would just give us the ability to remap our skills once a year same with looks / race.