Warfare & Tactics

I dont see many people running missions in cal gal space. Perhaps the webbing frigs will fix them a little. Id be happy with just deleting them. Even now, if people running missions bothers you its trivial to go stop them.

THX but I am not back. On the other side I was never away. Had always 2 alts covering 3 militias. Best isk/h in game by far.
NOT going back to lowsec "do not undock without ogb" pvp. Although I have my own booster now but I am not ************* enough to use it as "pro solo pvp".

I have a good RL income but THX for the example/insult.
But if you have ever been with russians, romanians or africans in a corp you get a bad conscience when you realise that europeans and us boys are doing pay2win with plex. On the other side the most east europeans would not be able to play without plex. Well everyone can do what he likes in this game.

Back on topic: Well t3ds get banned from smalls but are not good enough for mediums so what to do with em?

It's funny that you think there aren't goon alts in FW.

I am not sure we disagree about how the game works. We may have a semantic difference. When I talk about "doing faction war" I generally mean fighting for faction war sov. I realize most people do not mean that. Most people think random pvp that has nothing to do with fw sov is still doing faction war - as long as your corp is in faction war. Therefore as long as there is allot of fights around you then fw is not stagnating. IMO faction war is stagnant when no one cares about gaining sov for your side.

When you say lots of people in gallente could fight for sov but don't (for whatever reason) IMO that means the sov system is stagnant.






I agree here as well. Station lockouts are great for null sec where they don't want people coming to fight in their farms. (they literally refer to a ssytem of "farms and fields" favorably) But it doesn't suit so well in faction war where people often join specifically to pvp. That is why I think the station lockout rule should be eased. E.g., once a system is contested (or contested a certain percent) both sides should be able to dock. This would also mean people have some urgency to fight for a system before it is 90% contested.

In any case what you describe is a clear mechanic where players are forced to either gain sov or promote pvp. Good mechanics would have the 2 go hand in hand and not compete against eachother.

Basically, you would be happy with no fights as long as you hold all the space. Understood. But you should understand that most people are the other way around with a few notable exceptions.

Sov is the content driver, not the content. I know this is a hard concept for a bitter role-player such as yourself to understand.

Also, to summarise your vision for FW;

- Free intel from NPC sources. Who needs player intel channels?
- Bombers can run FW missions to farm LP.
- Tier levels should be done on the boom and bust cycle of inferno which was almost universally condemned.
- PvP should be balanced at the 1 frigate vs 1 frigate level.
- Boosts should be on grid so they become unusable by all but the largest fleet in the area at any given time and nano fleets are practically impossible to boost for.
- Complains about stagnation but then says station lockouts are bad. The single largest conflict driver over the last 2 years.

Im sure there are more terrible ideas that you advocate for, that was just off the top of my head.

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What you say coudln't be further from the truth. I want fighting for sov to actually involve fighting. The problem is the current mechanics force a choice of either A)spending time gaining sov or B)spending time fighting. I have no interest at all in the current sov system of having alts in empty frigates d-plexing. That is why I left faction war so that I could maximize my targets.

The changes I support clearly would increase pvp. 1) Timer rollbacks, 2)real time intel on where and when plexes are being run, and 3)easing the station lockouts so you don't drive away the pvp. These would all make sov warfare a real pvp creator not a pvp inhibitor. Thanatos just explained he didn't want win sov because he didn't want to drive away the pvp. I agree with him, and think the mechanics should be modified so that doesn't happen.




Crosi you never actually quote me because you always want to twist things.

Here are some ideas I think we should kick around for faction war:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6038178#post6038178


As far as what you wrote let me briefly address each:

1) Clearly player run intel channels are unable to drive out rabbit plexers. Why when ccp proposes a navy maulus with an extra point does everyone instantly think they intended this for faction war plexes?? The player intel channels need help. Intel tools that give us real time intel on plexes being run would drastically increase the amount of pvp per plex and supplement the player run intel channels. That null sec players get intel about their assets being attacked does not mean they no longer need player intel channels. It does however allow them to defend their space in pvp. It means the strategic aspects can rise to another level. More intel means more data. More data means more complex strategies can happen.


2) Level 4 Mission lp amounts need to be nerfed whether they are run in bombers or cloak/mwd ishtars. Missions don’t effect sov so I really don’t care about them too much except the amount of lp they give is killing all lp markets. Yep I don’t really care if bombers can run faction war missions or not. If bombers can run them they should simply pay less than if you need a hac or bs to run them. I do think the missions should be balanced so one faction doesn’t have easy missions and the others don’t. The travel and blitz attack mechanic is a good mechanic to bring people to low sec to do pve.


3) Inferno paid way too much. But the cashout system made people interested in gaining sov and brought the militias some higher level strategy on how to do it. All factions hit tier 5 cashouts, except amarr that hit tier 4, so no faction was ever a complete bust. Every faction had a boom. It was an exciting time to be in faction war. It was never nearly as stagnant as the current system. It also rewarded people to stick with their faction instead of jumping to the higher tier faction. The cashout had issues that needed to be addressed. 1) the payments were way to high and 2) they had to do some tweaks to ensure it would not be beneficial to have alts bust flip your own system. 3) There were tons of other issues that ccp did address such as huge disparate between the rats in each plex etc. But those were separate issues from cashout versus our current forever grind model.

4) I honestly don’t even know what that means and of course never suggested that.

5) I think ogb are a cancer for eve. Put them on grid or get rid of them, whatever. Even if forced on grid they would need to be nerfed. But having them be so powerful, when they are not even present in the fight, is crazy dumb. Their rise in use has in fact corresponded with a huge drop of people signing on. There is plenty of evidence that suggests this timing is not pure coincidence. You of course ignore the evidence because your boosted garmur makes you feel special.

6) Driving your enemy far away also decreases content. IMO there would be more pvp if the station lockout rule was eased. Keeping enemies separated is generally not good for pvp. Look at null sec. The station lockout rule has also reduced variety of places you can roam. Pre-lockout you could place ships throughout the warzone and fight all sorts of different small groups. Now you have fewer larger groups and fewer systems to go to if you want fights.

May I write you have no clue?!
I was in NC and there have been whole alt corps of fw bomber toons in minnie militia.

I am complaining about fw mission payments. I had bomber toons in three militias. Now only two :P
I had tons of minnie bomber kills the last three montsh since I came back.
But at the end you catch always the less experienced ones. Not to mention the guy who is quadboxing caracals for missions, the other minnie guy who is always with his falcon alt and the tons of other guys who have always their hecate alts next door or the really bad guys like this CAAN0N guy from church of aweseome in calmil who has his ishtar minnie alt and plenty others and causing civil militia wars everywhere^^

So yep you have been completely wrong.

Edit: I HATE YOU POCKET!!! GRRRR!!!! You know I really enjoyed it here in curse.....

Edit2: I think CAAN0N really deserves his own thread meanwhile, regarding all the drama he is causing^^

1- You intel channels may be inadequate. But ours dont seem to be fine. Coupled with the already expansive intel in the FW window its easy to keep track of whats happening.

2- I actually agree with you here, to an extent. however, bringing people to low sec in pve ships is stupid. Thereforultimately a better idea to just remove them.

3- No, inferno was horrible. You have admitted in the past that you didnt do any of the hard work around making it happen. In minmatar space you could sometimes have to bash 40 systems in a couple of days. Imagine that in gal space where you would have to bash 80+. Having dozens of vulnerable systems for weeks on end is absurd and doesnt represent 'caring about sov'. Not to mention that it wouldnt work at all now its impossible to over-plex a system indefinitely.

4- Is really referring to how often and hard you complain about fairness at the solo level and the injustice of people using boosters.

5- The drop in players has also corresponded with many other RL and IG changes. Pointing at one particular thing and laying blame at its feet while providing only the slightest of anecdotal evidence which is easily contradicted.

6- I was against station lockouts. Because i was lazy. There is no denying the extent that they have forced factions to work together and with their allies to bring about a content type that is simply not available anywhere else in EVE. Remove station lockouts and we go directly back to the;

"hey, theres someone in a a plex in system"
"nevermind, it makes no difference if i stay docked or go fight"

1) OMG cant believe ur still banging on bout npc intel channel

2)make missions like burners therefore you have to fit kinda a pvp fit and should hold your own. leave the becons detectable to all but reduce LP payout.

3)Inferno nearly broke the game people in bombers doing riskless pve even out incomed lvl5 mission runners who have to commit a carrier or shiny stuff (thats fkd up in risk v reward) also the over plex and bashes sucked big time..
Yes they were also stagnent caldaris mashed over gals cos everyone dogpiled there i think gals may have managed 1 or 2 cashouts..
minmatar was even worse the only reason amarr got a cashout was because nulli joined and flipped bunkers with supers in 1 night and even they quit at T4...
i also remember people making false corps in the other side just to flip systems so it could be farmed back again.... (broken as ****)

4) concerning ogb ccps sub level is dropping atm i dont think they would risk alot more unsubs because of usless alts either that or it will go bk to the old way of falcon alts

5) station lockouts are great and are conflict drivers imo you want the option of multiple reships through out the region then fight for the right to it