Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've looked at some of these changes now in Pyfa so I can get an idea of what is viable and what isn't. The tank on the Navy Drake (shield) and the Navy Brutix (hull) is insane, and I think the other ships need to be buffed slightly in base HP to compensate, when you can easily hit the 100K mark on the Navy Drake yet the Harb for instance lacks behind massively it feels at odd ends.

The Fleet Cane needs more PG and especially CPU in my opinion, I had trouble getting an arty fit to work that included any tank, and thats without putting anything in the 2 spare highs, and with an armour auto fit I had exactly the same problem.

The regular Harb feels like it could do with a slight PG buff (maybe by +60) to make beams viable, it can get a semi decent fit with Pulses but it doesn't feel like any difference before the buffs.

Edit: Just to add, I do think more PG and CPU buffs to all the ships would increase the viability and flexibility. Obviously some ships need more buffs than others.

I know this problem is not new - the low/high fitting costs of acs/arties
There are lots of minmatar ships where an arty fit is very difficult to achieve without too many fitting mods.

Also, everybody needs a tank, some races have to install fitting mods just to install guns and a mwd, the race that benefits the most with hull rigs doesn't need ONE fitting mod to get their guns and mwd running, not one, and they are not only sporting a 60% tank across the board but also also have all mids and lows to play with whatever they want.
Pretty please, think of a penalty for those hull rigs.

How cheaper you can get them might rely a lot on how much more used it gets and that is valid for all the navy BC receiving a buff right now. Feeding the soon to be increased market will drive LP demand up unless something else's demand drop. Unless you make your member "farm it for free"...

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.

In fleet fights the EHP is nice, but if you're resists aren't good the logi support isn't going to catch reps on you. Battle cruisers also have a large sig radius which makes them far more vulnerable to bombs. The cane has a 50% tracking bonus, but the muninn has 37.5% bonus so it's not like it's getting blown out of the water there. The alpha fleet doctrine has also been out of style since medium rails and sentry drones took over.

I don't know why you got into the FW farm part. Large alliances don't care if you farmed for the ship or not, they're going to pay SRP based on the difference between the hull cost and the insurance payout. For battleships this cost difference is easy to cover, for T2 and faction ships it's harder. If a titans worth of SRP goes into the field you had better believe that it better outperform what it may come up against.

If a fleet cane doctrine did come up I can guarantee that they wouldn't remain at 150m. We're talking about thousands of ships to get the doctrine up with hundreds of replacements for losses a week. I know that when the tempest fleet issue was a doctrine ship the cost went significantly up, and that was a doctrine that was held in reserve and not used much.

In reality, thanks to better pg/cpu, a secondary tank is also possible.
I understand the problems in fleet/null but I think it is a bit to much. Maybe it made sense when nobody used railguns, now it looks more like the cherry on top. If you take into account not only null sec and fleet work, does the arty alpha justifies the heavy fiting costs? And is the cargo space an enough drawback to hull rigs? Honest question, I may be wrong and not seeing the whole picture.

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I think part of the issue comes from how many ship fot the hull tank module (DCU) anyway because of how good it is which then make the hull tanking ships feel a bit like they didn't even take that slot because there would be a DCU there anyway. The tank gain to fitting cost ratio is rather high.

Feels like talking to a wall, CCP please do consider reiterating the buffs on prophecy and myrmidon, they are frontline brawlers and tanks, they engage in close range, the mwd bonus on drone speed is useless 95% of the fights that will happen.. I fly prophecy and myrm a lot and considering the other ships, their main buff is useless...
While I do understand you do not want to overpower the boats please do reconsider and give them something they can actually use in a role they are most used in..

I had a chance to play around with the DNI today. It's a little light on CPU with HMLs. Needs 2x Overclocker rigs and perfect fitting skills just to fit it with 8 launchers, long point, Quad-LiF MWD, MGC, 2x hardeners, L-ASB, 3x BCS, and meta 4 DC. Leaves only 1 rigging slot available. So I put medium aux thruster I rig in to make it faster.

Fit was actually more than viable. Decent range (locking range was limited because no links available at the time. Could run the MWD pretty much continuously. Did decent damage with good application. Could tank well enough to kite for a bit then close in for the finish. (Barring any surprise hull tanks.) The enlarged drone bay was a big help in the dps department since it lacks any dps bonuses. But it heats the launchers like no tomorrow. Burned them out twice.

I was also able to 1-shot an orbitting whiptail using MGC with precision script and precision mjolnir heavies. Application on this thing is really good. And it has the option of swapping to fury ammo for bigger targets. The resist bonus is a big help for survivability. And the improved manuverability/agility allowed me to slingshot out of tackle easily.

Cap is an issue if you are running everything. But running just the MWD and hardeners is not a problem. It can MWD around for quite a while. But turn on that long point and ouch. Like most Caldari ships it is vulnerable to neuts. But you shouldn't be running into neut range with this right off the bat anyway. And you can exchange the MGC for a cap booster. But the added application from the MGC is really strong on top of the hull application bonus.

Its a pretty solid ship now if you have the skills to fit it.

Sorry if it was already said but could we have 5 turrets slots (bonusless) on Cyclone please. Adding Rapids to ships HAM & HM would be also great.

I'm definitely liking the drone speed buffs. Though, I'm curious since it was mentioned that it was a buff to "drone microwarpdrive" speed if it's literally a buff to how fast drones get to their targets, not how fast they orbit the target (as drones orbit targets MUCH slower than they reach said target). If this is the case then tracking isn't much of an issue.

Also, I'm loving this buff since I can get my precious drones out of the way of those pesky sleeper frigates that apparently can hit your little drone from 30km away while it's traveling at close to 5km per second.