Wormholes

The problem with eve is that everyone is rich and everyone can't be rich cause plex prices.
Solution, some of you will have to be poor and some of us rich.
Anyone likes that?

I haven't read most of the replies, I glanced over the Two Step article.

What I can tell you and some of you won't understand is this, if there is still ISK to be made and it is still around the current lucrative levels, then people that are currently reaping the benefits and have been, will figure out a way to keep making that same level of ISK.

A cookie cutter method will be invented and pilots/account will be re-specialized to support the isk making. Right now people are multiboxing 2-8 accounts with ease for a single person or a small team and are making lucrative isk per hour. Next thing you know in 2-3 months after the "apocalyptic nerf" to WH pve people are going to rant about nothing has changed.

Now if the ISK is nerfed into the ground down to Level 5 missions or null sec ratting or incursions the amount of people that are going to leave w-space will be ridiculous. You all might think they are the cancer that is kill w-space but unmistakably they are the targets and the content that you hunt and hope your hole rolls into.

The pilots that love hunting and killing capitals are going to leave, all your going to have left are the wormhole purist and hipsters residing in high class wh's.

Can I agree that capital escalations should be changed? Yes.

Am I asking for it? No because I'm loving the 75-125 bil a month I've been pulling in for the last year it feels like.

Do I think CCP will change escalations in the next 6 months? Maybe but I really don't think so. They have bigger fish to fry. Only thing that has been announced is the capital rebalance. If dreads get reworked and they change something so that dreads are terrible at pve, that will affect it.

There are other alternate methods of killing the guardians that are just as multibox-able as caps:
Stealth Bombers launching bombs in Red giants
Large smartbombing fleets in Red giants
FOF ravens at 300km


TL;DR
It is going to take a massive amount of game design to nerf every single way to run cap escalations. If they remove the mechanic and do not replace it with some other system, in my opinion high class population will drop considerably. Until then me and everyone else that runs escalations on a consistent basis is stockpiling ISK to survive after the nerf.

Eve is a sandbox with a hyper-capitalistic economy the hardcore and the people with too many account and too much time will figure out how to sustain themselves.

I think we are very far apart on how we think an escalation nerf would play out. Also 75-125bil a month, **** me i need to get better at this Krabbing or steal Josh's Magnetar.

So I don't have anything against people making mad ISK and more ISK then other parts of EVE. I want people to make mad ISK so they will throw bling T3's around in fights. I do have an issue with the fact that escalations are now for the most part a solo activity done off in another hole with a lot "more" safety then was had in the past. Combining solo quad escalations with the CCP nerfs that have made hunting these people much harder and far more random then you have the slower pace of things in WH space that it is today (Not saying eve is dying RIP).

There is always going to be people that "game" the system to maximise efficiency at making ISK weather this is nerfed or not. But you say these people will all leave WH space in droves but tbh they already have (I know farmers are still content and all that bruhahah, but really they are not when their chain is closed off and they are just relying on luck of the dice of someone rolling in). The people that hunt capitals will stay because they will have more targets floating around WH space in general, they will find the other large groups in chains more often as chains won't be crit as often.

I have been in a few large WH space groups now and cap escalations are always the source of much drama, even with the best of intentions it makes nerds angry. Some of the issues are inequity in rewards for the risk from player to player. To other players not wanting to pve being forced into either helping or waiting around while they run sites because the chain has been closed for safety or to the extreme of that player wanting to explore simply logging off. Then there are other groups where a good deal of their members are afk because they are off doing something in their alt jew WH's.

I don't pretend for a second i have the perfect answer for this but i can't just say i think things are ok currently. I have read several ideas that would be really good and i would hope when lining those ideas up with CCP's goals that they would find some common ground on those ideas and come up with a really nice system to deal with this.

My hope for a nerf would be that small groups of players would be able to make some nice ISk running C5 sites solo and even more ISK when they invite some mates along to the fun. I would like capital ships to still have a place in Wh escalations for those those that chose to use them but i would also like to see options so that people will not feel so much risk that they feel the need to crush all the connections. My hope would be that this would allow others in those corps/Alliances that didn't want to partake to be able to still be out and exploring, roaming or lurking on hostiles.

All i want really is a lot more opportunities for player interactions in WH space, i know we disagree on all the options we have available to do this but this is where we are, i am also waiting for the well why don't you logoff trap and hunt all these solo farmers comments.... But CCP has also helped those farmers even more by removing NPC data to the point that hunting these people is even more tiresome. (**** look at BU/QEX, went from logoff trapping farmers to evicting a lot of C6 space to just rent it out to them).

More below.

Then go onto looking at your group and the other few groups that have taken over every C5/6 Magnetars to maximise the efficiency of solo escalations. This is now fact that any up and and coming WH PVP group cannot have a Magnetar as an option of being their home system. Everyone knows who owns the system and knows that simply taking them is not feasible like it was before.

I hope new structures help with this but i would just love Wh space to be what it was when i was first playing in them, people would find other groups in the chain all the time and skirmishes and large battles would be the norm. People back then would roam a bit of LS and null sec for a touch of variety and spice, but now it is forced as a the day to day activity just to have something to do. I want to be able to have content in WH space again, no not all of it WH space but look at your own site for WH statistics to note how much of a % of every groups kills are no longer in Wh space (maybe with the exception of this month #Novaburns)


When i say i hope new structures help with this it is also a scary thing that because of changes CCP has made in the last year to make WH space more PVE orientated we now crave new mechanics like structures and escalation nerfs to shake the tree.

I am not Two Step level of bitter about this, my theory is can't beat them join them. Untill **** gets all nerfed up in here.

Sigh....

Plenty have and i am sure plenty would love to again.

winny please let me tell you a story

a senior hk member owned a 5-5 mag farm hole about 6 months ago. some people called whatever dot came along and evicted him because they wanted the hole for their newly formed alliance. the alliance is question is here for those not familiar - http://evewho.com/alli/Whatever.

the hk member sold all his caps and the stuff in his tower to this party who evicted him and didn't put up a fight or anything. they took the c5 mag with 0 resistance. we were happy to let a pvp alliance take a c5 mag - we have lots. they actually told him that they had watched him run sites for months while they prepared the eviction, but not once did they actually try and kill him while running them.

6 months down the line and that alliance is dead. most people have no idea who they even were. coincidentally enough i was actually talking to one of their ex-leadership in a channel the other day:

[ 2015.09.17 17:17:12 ] Braxus Deninard > thebringer what happened to whatever.
[ 2015.09.17 17:17:24 ] thebringer > floped
[ 2015.09.17 17:18:27 ] thebringer > activity was very low, no one had enough motivation to go and do anything
[ 2015.09.17 17:18:35 ] Braxus Deninard > rip yeah thats what it seemed like from the outside
[ 2015.09.17 17:19:40 ] Braxus Deninard > was never really sure why whatever chose a magnetar
[ 2015.09.17 17:20:03 ] thebringer > was the cap site speed
[ 2015.09.17 17:20:26 ] thebringer > could do 10 sites in 1.5hrs with a good crew

the problem right there. so many people just don't have any motivation or effort to go out and hunt (which is part of the reason behind cap escalating being relatively safe at the moment) and they took the mag over a no effect so that they could do lots of sites, and there's nothing wrong with that when it's funding a pvp corp but they weren't ever active as a pvp corp either because they just didn't put the effort in.

i dont think they were too scared to attack the guy doing sites - i think they were too terrible to do it. but thats not important, obviously we aren't going to go and hand out c5/c6 mags, theyre high profile holes and it's just like owning an r64 in null - if you want it, you should take it. my example of whatever. is a clear example of an up and coming pvp group being able to do just that with no retaliation from me, it's just a shame that the group collapsed under its own weight.

i guess the point im trying to make is you said up and coming groups cant take c5/c6 mags - im saying if they pick their target correctly they can.

Seems to me that every one is in agreement that capital escalations are to safe.
There is almost no risk of getting hunted like it used to be before.
That is the big problem.

Personaly i blame the instant sig spawn that wipped out rolling for pew.
Scanning the chain make the timing even worse.

It's so easy the solution, that it is actually stupid. You could fix it all by tweeking the spawn rates of the sites. Or adding a delay of hours to the respawning.

5 bill a month with a well fitted mach (no blings). Risk free.