EVE General Discussion

Nothing, everyone.
Nothing, everyone.

I don't believe it can. If somehow you could get going only using instanced content, all your could hope to do in WoW is build up a cache of stuff and level up. In EVE, the levelling up you don't even need to log on for, and the small cache of stuff can also be fetched entirely from rerunnning those missions. So I maintain that you could achieve the same in both.

Removing stupidity and laziness?

nah im not buying it, someone switched on the tranquility server and programmed npc's but that doesnt mean shooting an npc is pvp.

Im just mostly trolling here now just sayin

No it's not. I'd say EVE is a diverse sandbox with interspersed PvE and PvP mechanics. To say it's just PvP makes is sound like it's World of Tanks in space.

No, I'm simply pointing out that claims that WoW can be played completely solo with no impact on any other players while in EVE it's impossible are false. Both can be done with an incredible detriment to your progression and enjoyment.

They are nonetheless "live", as in ingame at that moment.

Since they are afk, the interaction is rather one sided, but nonetheless characterisable as a hard boot interacring with the rather more soft resistance of their face.

On the point of POS, this raises an interesting question of aggressing a players assets while he is offline, as PvP.
Id argue that since the POS is an extension of the player, as his property (as is a ship he is piloting), and the particular issue of conflict between him and the aggressing player, its still PvP.


Also, damn you all for burying my beautiful and insightful space essays in piles of crap...

wut?

The action Mining (Shooting space rocks specifically) is a PvE action, however you can not mine anywhere without at any point in time being possibly subjected to non-consensual PvP because EvE is a PvP game. (Newbiw systems excluded because sanity)

Selecting a rock (or NPC) and pressing F1-F8 is a PvE ACTION. However spending the isk on the market, selling the loot, spending the LP and selling the items, refining the loot and manufacturing stuff and selling THAT or getting ganked WHILE shooting space rocks/NPCs are all PvP actions.

That is all.
Time for food — can you guys please not be overly insane in the meantime?

Is the person you blow up with this missile a weapon system? If you launch it at a civilian target and kill non-combatants do they suddenly become combatants because you blew them up with a missile?

Mining is a PvE mechanic. Just because you can walk over and shoot someone who is mining, it doesn't suddenly make that mechanic a PvP mechanic.

1) You refused to offer a substantiated definition of "competetive PvE" when I asked you for it, because you claimed I would call it unfounded. Now when I offer a substantiated and peer-reviewed definition, you do exactly that to me yourself.

Atleast I delivered a definition. And atleast I didnt resort to hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty as you have now, again.

2) PvP is "sometimes" called PKing, when it fits the specific criteria of PKing. The "sometimes" in that phrase means PvP is sometimes called PKing, when its PKing, as elaborated on in the classifications (which feeds into the next inane point of yours).
Nice try, pedant.

3) The classifications are sub-divisions that elaborate on the definition, under those circumstances in which they apply.
None of them refute the original definition, they merely elaborate on some particular classifications of it.

4) Mining fits the actual definition. It is interactive conflict (over resources) between two or more live players, the second another live player enters the situation. Mining itself interestingly also does cerrtainly not fit the definition of PvE, as "where players compete against computer controlled opponents and/or players", as the asteroid does not compete, it merely is.

Incursions, plexes, missions, data/relic sites, however, do fit the criteria of PvE.
But it is trumped the second another player enters the instance, into PvP, unless those players do not compete with you.
Since another player entering it is ALWAYS possible, that again reinforces and obviates that EVE is essentially, always, throughout, a PvP sandbox, even in these superficially PvE activities.

5) "A lot" of people seeing something a certain way, does not make it true or real.
Especially here in EVE, where your "a lot" is utterly overshadowed and dwarfed by the " a lot" that sees these matters as I do. My "a lot" is bigger than yours, and according to your logic, that makes our stance better than yours, defacto.

6) Saying that EVE is anything BUT entirely PvP, is a lie, and misleads players as to its nature, and leads to player dissatisfaction when they realize their expectations do not match that seminal fact.

By telling people EVE anything except the whole brutal truth about its PvP nature, is a recipe for dissatisfaction and dissappointment, especially for players who are used to a very different kind of MMO. Lying to them or cushioning the truth from them, is a disservice. Dont do it.

Furthermore, by understating the essential PvP nature of EVE, it is YOU who are underselling the game.
Its PvP nature, risk, competition and universal player intersctivity are its primary selling points and ehat define it in the MMO market!!

You are presenting to make this problem even worse.

You really are terrible at this.
Over and over you paint yourself into a corner of your own devising.
Someone from your organisation really should give you a tap on the shoulder and gently, but firmly, suggest:
"Time to stop posting".