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Covert Fleets to Move Items Starting at 1Billion .

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Almiel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-07-11 15:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Almiel
I'm starting to lean towards troll but you never know . . .Shocked

If troll, then bravo! My hat is off to you sir.
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-07-11 16:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pontryvel Crendraven
This will be for the next few months as I am too busy to have my time wasted in negotiation.
I don't have to take risks that are not worth it and , it would be better for those who want covert transport.

Other than that, it will give me the time to practive and record video evidence.


Besides, as for the insurance security systems I am developing , I should have enough asset then to do it on my own without requiring other investors or having to share profits with them.


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Edit:

(I have 100 customers and can get more sales, but that is obviously not the point since it is strictly a matter of competition and , covert warfare.
I should gather some intel on this on that forum, as for the piracy channel, since covert warfare and pirates sort of go hand in hand.)
Jeronica
BURN EDEN
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#43 - 2015-07-13 15:45:32 UTC
This thread is great. I don't understand why no one else has done this business model before and succeeded. Seems like such a winning combination on intellect and thinking into the future. This is year 23353 guys, why do we even need collateral these days?

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#44 - 2015-07-14 13:59:26 UTC
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:

No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow.

But I will add this:
I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability.


You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not.

Let me put it this way.

Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow.

Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back.
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-07-14 17:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pontryvel Crendraven
1. I don't think you'd like the contract. (I could win, even if you never did have the ships physically.)

2.
I DON'T start or offer this service (service offer to move products covertly and, funny enough, unpublished to unwanted parties) to compete.
I merely stated that the competition was welcome to publish in my thread since it may bring valuable insight.
I also offered those who could bring the insight rewards if the insight or info was valuable (even though understated at first).

3.
JF services are published as business service offer, and quite frankly, cynosural field can be issued from Rookie Ship with cloaks.
It is pretty hard to detect (almost as hard to detect as a Covert Ship with a Covert Cloak).
Only once the cloak is deactivated can the Cynosural field be activated for the JF to lock onto it.
It's almost the same for the Black Ops BR fleet except for a few more covert points:
i) There are no BR services offered publicly since they are more secret (they are at least less published, including mine).
ii) The Covert Cyno ship cannot be a Rookie ship which means there is more risk to lose more value.
iii) The Covert Cyno ship still needs to decloak before it can activate it's Covert Cynosural field.
iv) The Covert Cyno field cannot be detected, but the uncloaked Covert Ship can be detected as would the Rookie Ship Cyno ship.
v) |It is even easier to detect a Decloaked Covert Ship than a Rookie Ship since it can be a more valuable target.

Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:

No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow.

But I will add this:
I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability.


You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not.

Let me put it this way.

Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow.

Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back.


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Jeronica wrote:
This thread is great. I don't understand why no one else has done this business model before and succeeded. Seems like such a winning combination on intellect and thinking into the future. This is year 23353 guys, why do we even need collateral these days?

#2.1
Because it is more organized and designed to be more like an actual functional system than a business model with less practical parts.

#2.2
The design costs and time and security required are not included at this time, or at least not all included.

#2.3
Business planning systems can tend to act to be in the future.
More than 97% of plans can be for the future with less than 3% plans for the past.
Some plans may be for the present, up to 97% (even if overlapping with future plans).
(I tend not to overextend on stressing parts that I don't understand so that I can understand them better, to learn faster.
Too much critics and negativity can be and will be a bad thing , and sometimes, fatal.)

#2.4
We would need collateral, I simply offered that they could be used differently, and omitted to be paid before in full, as requirement to initiate a valid contract.

#2.5
This system does not have to be implemented into the EVE Online procedural program to be feasible.
MD Loans and financial schemes run without integral coding.
Most are based on other factors than the program code itself.
Some are legal, and I didn't test any yet since the risk is quite high, I might add.
Just because it works for people who are chosen to be associated with doesn't mean that others are not rejected or that their investment are not taken without similar or equal rewards.

#2.6
I will be able to document this (numeral income and trips volume, etc) over the next few years if the program still runs.


* 3
I wasn't planning to update my start up offer from this thread, but since the offer was starting at 1 billion ISK, I can offer other prices once the start is completed.
The higher price or cost offer were already mentionned.
I am now adding that I will then be able to offer lower offer than 1 billion, although it may not be worthwhile at this time.
Some suggested it wasn't worth it for others at billion, I suggested that it might not be worth it for me or others at lower price at this time.
This may change later if my work to solve this is successful.
Careby
#46 - 2015-07-15 13:49:32 UTC
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:
... 4. I have never fallen asleep ...


I think that explains everything.

Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-07-15 14:59:33 UTC
Careby wrote:
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:
... 4. I have never fallen asleep ...


I think that explains everything.


I have never fallen asleep while on Blockade Run.
It is not complicated to misinterpret me. It is easy to see how I am being misinterpreted.

Either way, seems there will be a lots of wars, so, the offer might become even more valid or worthwhile later.
Darley Ciel
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
#48 - 2015-07-17 02:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Darley Ciel
Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever.

Who is the OP???

ESL speaker who is actually a genius and just can't get his point across
5% - Chance

ESL speaker who is as stupid as he sounds
15% - Chance

Native english speaker, doing an amazing job a impersonating a mentally ******** ESL speaker while trolling MD
80% (I started out a like 10% through page one - this guy is amazing)


Someone should hire this guy to set up robocalls. You would never be able to tell if you were talking to a real person or not.

-DC
Darley Ciel
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
#49 - 2015-07-17 02:34:24 UTC
double post
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#50 - 2015-07-17 09:18:55 UTC
Thread has been moved to Sell Orders.

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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-07-17 17:35:46 UTC
1st, ty for the move.

Darley Ciel wrote:
Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever.
...

+ Make that Sell Orders as well?


(Quite diverting...
Also, my system takes me over one hour as it is a rather unforgiving hardware system.)



I also don't have or offer any sell orders at this time.



I could use this thread to post sell orders.



I didn't intend to sell Black Ops ships or Blockade Runner ships although that may be an option.



The Original post clearly was about market discussion about offers to use Jump Bridge from Black Ops to haul items with Blockade Runners and Covert Fleets.



Good thing I registered a copyright for $55 with an English speaking government before posting is this EVE Online forum.
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