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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2181 - 2015-06-30 02:05:46 UTC
Arch-Magus Mephisto wrote:
OK CCP. You have had more than enough time to go back to the old overview Icons.

Why has this not been done? The player base has spoken quite honestly. It's past time we go to the old icons.


I'm sad to say that the icons are here to stay, if you are lucky enough to have sufficient vision to distinguish one icon from another you will either have to learn to use that mess CCP calls an upgrade or bail out like some of us already have done.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#2182 - 2015-06-30 11:12:01 UTC
Nope... still not used to the new icons. In fact they're somehow getting more confusing with practice and, as a result, I'm playing less. Just the facts.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2183 - 2015-06-30 13:04:43 UTC
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
#2184 - 2015-06-30 17:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Seavey Allier
Serious Question:

I've been skimming reddit to see if there was any other icon rage threads anywhere else outside of Eve Forums.

I cannot seem to find any. Even on TMC and other fan sites I find few negative comments about the new icons...and even some positive ones... in articles where Carnyx is featured or reviewed.

Hell, I've even seen "Thank for the New Icons, CCP!!!" labels on cargo containers outside of trade hub stations.
( 3 to 1 vegas odds that Rio jettisoned them......)


Am I missing 1/2 of the outrage here? Can anyone provide any links to other threadnaughts or a least cruiser sized threads
where this discussion is also taking place?


I just can't believe that a change that has spawned 100+ pages here, could not be mirrored on other sites.

Thanks in advance.

Dan

Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell

Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2185 - 2015-06-30 18:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
Serious Question:

I've been skimming reddit to see if there was any other icon rage threads anywhere else outside of Eve Forums.

I cannot seem to find any. Even on TMC and other fan sites I find few negative comments about the new icons...and even some positive ones... in articles where Carnyx is featured or reviewed.

Hell, I've even seen "Thank for the New Icons, CCP!!!" labels on cargo containers outside of trade hub stations.
( 3 to 1 vegas odds that Rio jettisoned them......)


Am I missing 1/2 of the outrage here? Can anyone provide any links to other threadnaughts or a least cruiser sized threads
where this discussion is also taking place?


I just can't believe that a change that has spawned 100+ pages here, could not be mirrored on other sites.

Thanks in advance.

Dan


Wasn't me that launched the billboard, barely in high-sec lately...nice thought though, sorry if you gambled and lost some money over it, lol. 3 to 1 odds I dropped a can, would have been a safer bet than ISK doublers there...

It's literally ten people (plus or minus) that are probably rhinoceros on the Kenyan Savanna, aspiring to be human and play EvE...If they could smell ships approaching, there'd be no complaint. I have suggested if their eyes don't do their jobs, you can't blame CCP for doing theirs....Then they yell at me. Others, can't understand the little red figures, and their concept of reality is shattered.

To quote Charles Darwin as he was addressing the 'Royal Society'..."Icons do not occur naturally, but when they arrive on the scene, organisms must adapt or become extinct...Either their cranium size must increase or they must develope new or better eyes to cope and proliferate. It is not the strongest of the species that survive, but the one most flexible to change...of course I'll sign your breasts, your highness!"

Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
#2186 - 2015-06-30 18:30:25 UTC


O.K. , I can possibly accept that there are 10 + posters on THIS thread that are doing most of the critical posting over
the new icon changes.......but have YOU seen any other threads like this.....anywhere else? Reddit.....TMC Forums....anywhere?

I'm trying to grasp the scope of the upheaval here. I'm doing a rough count of toons that favor vs those who do not on the topic for a side project. A lot of anger and passion in this thread, and I would assume that this discussion/debate must be raging on more than just this one platform.

Dan

Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2187 - 2015-06-30 18:37:32 UTC
I think someone in the previous pages posted some links of other forums of the icons...I think one of them was in some russian forum
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
#2188 - 2015-06-30 19:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Seavey Allier
I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.

There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to
mass complaints about this icon change.





Dan

Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2189 - 2015-06-30 19:42:42 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2190 - 2015-06-30 20:44:57 UTC
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.

There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to
mass complaints about this icon change.


Dan


Check it. I'm 100% sure that there was a link to some russian forum if is not removed from ISD. Even there was a vote regarding the icons
J0rj Lmoz
Rawbot.
#2191 - 2015-06-30 21:56:29 UTC
Needed some time to get used to the new icons, but now I'm starting to like them.

Keep the good work CPP.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#2192 - 2015-07-01 00:16:33 UTC
"I Survived the Summer Icon Rage" commemorative t-shirts will be going on sale soon. Wear yours at the next EVE FanFest!

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Destrukter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2193 - 2015-07-01 00:24:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Destrukter
Almost 2,200 comments (not counting rage posts that were nuked), over 50,000 views... I'd say this is important to more than a few people.. Let CCP make a vote on the icons if they really want to know how many people favor them but do you honestly think they would do something like that?

Some good news that most can agree on, the new Drone Icons look much better than what we are currently stuck with. I wish I had a link to share but atm I do not.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#2194 - 2015-07-01 02:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeven HouseBenyo
Jared Tobin wrote:
CCP Claymore wrote:

We have been looking at these changes with the colorblind player in mind and we have looked at them through some simulators, but not being colorblind we really need your feedback if this is helping your experience. Colorblind players please let us know how they look and if they are better.


Might I suggest visiting the Color Blind Awareness Organization.
They have interesting comparison charts which, if I may suggest, would be handy to keep on file for all art and graphic designers to reference:

http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/

Personally, two friends of mine suffer 2 of the 3 types of color blindness.
The one suffers the most common "deuteranopia" ("red/green" color blindness) which means any color that includes red in it, is "subtracted" in some (or all) level. I've noticed he completely thinks red is brown. He also has mentioned that vegetation is "a mustard brown or yellow" and the "sky is a deep blue".
The other friend has "protanopia" (a slight variant of "red/green") where, oddly, she describes that, on some days the sky is "blue" (to her) but on other days where the sky is tinted/stormy (or dawn/dusk), she has described the sky as "a little like a pink day"...

It "appears", in my experiences and studies, that the most common color that will be seen by "most" will be a variant of blue. There are always exceptions, but in my graphic design jobs in the late 90s, it was imperative to focus on "pure" greens, reds and blues. I am hoping things have changed since then, but even back in '98, I had a program that was able to (at a simple keystroke) switch my entire monitor through various color blindnesses so that I could "see" what colors of things which a company/client wanted to be "highlighted" (or "stand out") to the largest group of potential customers had to be a "commonly shared" color of distinction from the rest of the text/shapes/colors etc.

It's been awhile, and I forget the hexadecimal code, but the best color was somewhere in the blue wavelength areas of the visible light spectrum.

I'm sure there are advances in programs for graphic designers using both RGB and CMYK color preparations on computer monitors these days, but it is a rather basic filtration system program that barely takes up space.

I hope this helps.


Then there's the oddity vision/color problems out there that don't get as much attention. Thankfully, they (usually!) don't impact computer monitor viewing as much as the standard colorblind variants. For example, 'night blind' and other types of vision issues where amount and/or type of light causes colors to not be accurate. Don't ask me to drive anywhere at dusk when the directions include looking for certain colored landmarks, that time of day outside has all vision in grey tones with screaming red lights the only other 'colors' available. Street signs with a green or black background and white letters are completely blank to me. At least I can see tail lights and stop lights, right??

Random non-Eve factoid. The ordering of Green Amber Red on stop lights are in a specific order across (most/all?) countries, for this very reason. So the color blind can still 'see' that one light is at least glowing, and know what to do while driving.



Back to Eve info. Is there an image or something up to show what changes, if any, are inbound to icons with the mini-expansion? Time's running out on this last account, want to see if it's worth tacking more time onto it.

Any memo yet on this fast track release cycle that's giving the player base half baked, half finished, and sometimes broken/buggy 'new!' shinys and it possibly slowing down for better Quality Testing before feeding it to the unwashed paying masses? Riding the brakes might save CCP some headaches with 1) bug lists with each release, 2) howling masses faced with unwanted and/or changes for change sake not for improvement of game play, 3) time to read and actually use feedback from Sisi threads, therefore possibly short circuiting some of the shrieks and gnashing of teeth that piles up on forum threads.

An angry customer base is only a plus when it at least feels listened to, not repeatedly blown of and 'insulted'. Happy customers tend to spend more of their hard collected cash on a company that gives at least a few bones tossed in their direction. And admission of Kender Oops! moments along with apologies buys a loyalty that can't be quantified in a spreadsheet or statistics number crunch. Sarcasm as a customer service technique is not a positive to have for very long, ladies and gents of CCP. And pride goeth before a bankruptcy.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2195 - 2015-07-01 05:58:17 UTC
I spent most of the day with a long time friend who is an electrical engineer, working for a systems consulting firm. He told me the basis of his job, I thought it was interesting.

Not necessarily knowing how to do the jobs in the tech companies he consults with / for, he goes to the lowest level workers he has access to and asks them for a short list of their biggest complaints. Then he goes to the next level of workers and asks them for theirs. He does this all the way up to the top level of the company that he has access to.

Then he goes back and asks a handful of people who struck him as talented, or were recommended for having good ideas by their peers. He picks their brain about how to synthesize a unified plan for the items that appeared most frequently on his list. Weighted for being upper level and lower level, of course.

He's in and out of a company in two weeks.

He makes a ton of money and he's living the dream... he's a twentysomething with a Viper, and a luxury sport sedan for a daily driver, the works. I imagine the results are worthwhile, or he'd probably not have that job and his firm would not exist.

I had a great time talking about trends and common pitfalls that he has seen over time, across companies and industries. It's full spectrum stuff, from upper level management to final product execution, and everything in between.

Imagine what the result of his work would be if his firm was hired by CCP. Having talked to him, and aggregating what I've seen and heard over the years, I can tell you it's a lot of what you'd expect.
Arbor Wattle
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2196 - 2015-07-01 07:55:41 UTC
CCP i would like to be able to launch the game without having to hit the launch button 5 million times over 5-10minutes.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2197 - 2015-07-01 10:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Arbor Wattle wrote:
CCP i would like to be able to launch the game without having to hit the launch button 5 million times over 5-10minutes.


CCP reply: You must use to it. We don't care even if we have 1 mil feedback. We implement this bug because we think is cool and we already test it on the SISI and don't have any negative feedbacks. On next patch we will include 10 mil times hiting the launch button.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2198 - 2015-07-01 13:07:16 UTC
The Icons I like...Everyone knows that now. I thought some of the vision problems people spoke of were hyperbole, but it's actually a 'thing'. The comprehension problems people are having? Well, I don't know what to say to that...

Guess the end of the matter for me, after subjecting you all to my long winded satirical opinions, is that personally...I don't want to go back to old stuff. My condolences to folks who have eye trouble (CCP is sensitive from recent posts)...and the weirder comprehension thing. Call it selfish, but for me it works. In the end it's CCP's descision, and what ever they are going to do...I will still fly my spaceships in New Eden, not in some other game.

Look forward to Fozzy-Sov clearing out some cobwebs in null too...then I can inform you all of what I think about that too.

Ugh

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Joe Gormley
Nemo Modicus Group
#2199 - 2015-07-01 18:53:04 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
The Icons I like...Everyone knows that now. I thought some of the vision problems people spoke of were hyperbole, but it's actually a 'thing'. The comprehension problems people are having? Well, I don't know what to say to that...

Guess the end of the matter for me, after subjecting you all to my long winded satirical opinions, is that personally...I don't want to go back to old stuff. My condolences to folks who have eye trouble (CCP is sensitive from recent posts)...and the weirder comprehension thing. Call it selfish, but for me it works. In the end it's CCP's descision, and what ever they are going to do...I will still fly my spaceships in New Eden, not in some other game.

Look forward to Fozzy-Sov clearing out some cobwebs in null too...then I can inform you all of what I think about that too.

Ugh



I really struggle to understand how you can say CCP are sensitive to players with sight problems... If they were, these new ICONs would have been gone with hours once the sight issue had been established....

But hey, I struggle to understand why CCP would put a development project on TQ... Only problem is it will remain a development project that will never be fixed.... Like... ah, the list is too long.. and peeps who actual play know the issues..

Likewise, looking forward to seeing what opportunities the new SOV changes will bring...

Miss the DEV team that took the time to listen and fix the issues...

Quality over Quantity every time..

Remove the Icons as no fit for purpose!!

SportBilly
GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY
#2200 - 2015-07-01 19:27:22 UTC
Speaks for itself: link to server figures, no guessing why!

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Last Sunday was the lowest number of players for many years.