Warfare & Tactics

Would like separate timers for plexs for each respective faction.

And would like an improved Insurance system for smaller ships for militia participants - short duration and high payout, encouraging you to fight and potentially lose the ship.

Can't be arsed to justify either of these atm.

Thanks for your contribution. Look, I deal with unfortunate people very day. It is extremely unfair that people who can't read well suffer huge disadvantages in life.

As an older person with some experience, let me me offer you some very sincere, very well intentioned advice:

Try not to use the moron hashtag, "tl:dr". Telling other people that you are a slow reader who celebrates a state of ignorance is only going to lift the value of your stock in environments where you really do not wish to remain. Only very stupid people with low self esteem will appreciate the sentiment, and only they will want to stand next to you. And even they will lack respect for you, because nobody respects an ignorant person who reads slowly and gives up on learning.

It is especially weird to use this tribal marking on yourself when you are posting on a forum about space ship wars. If you are short of reading time, why are you here?

But, look, do as you think is best. Everybody needs to belong somewhere, and there but for the grace of god go I.

So you go on a roam, and you find a tristan in a novice, an algos in a small, and a vexor in a medium. One runs, two are stabbed. All three are farmers and have increased your time to fight ratio. Repeat for evey other system you visit. You can't simply ignore them when attempting to discuss FW, or FW mechanics, or PvP within the warzone.

Honestly, this is a situation we've created ourselves. A faction's tier became its greatest weapon, a fact exasperated by the recruitment drives of militias promising easy isk in exchange for plexing power. It was only a matter of time before it blew up in our faces. Which is roughly where we're at right now, begging for mechanics to be changed to clean up our mess. People often call FW null-lite, and it's pretty much what we've created; a dead region where people grow fat on isk/lp while avoiding shooting each other, with occasional interference from neutral parties.

The long waits for pvp engagements are really more of an indication of your ability to get fights rather than the potential fights out there.

You admit yourself, over and over, that you have no idea where to go to get fights, or complain that the fights you find are not exactly the ones you are looking for, or people might be using boosts, or its too far etc.

Perhaps you should appreciate the hunt as part of the game.

Some people like hunting but it really isn't for me. Sit around all day waiting for a deer to wander by and shoot it. Sorry I have no time for that and *for me* it sounds very dull.

I would rather a game that models spaceship warfare as opposed to hunting. That's why I joined faction warfare. I want to be constantly sent into battle.


I think the EVE can accommodate both styles of play. I'm not saying take away mechanics that people use to hunt. Eve has allot of options for people who like to hunt and have the time for that. (and they are all good for those who like that sort of thing) I'm just suggesting that ccp should add some mechanics for people who find wandering and hunting boring. Some people want more quality pvp for the time they are online.


But anyway your opinion that there are already "plenty" of quality pvp fights in eve is a controversial one at best. Maybe you think more quality pvp fights would be a bad thing, but at least acknowledge many people disagree. There are *allot* of players who would like more quality pvp for the time they spend online.

I agree.

Factors in attracting fights

+ Fly T1s
+ Solo
+ Poor combat record
+ Reputation for standing your ground
+ Be a pirate

There's a legendary poker player, Doyle Brunson, who'd deliberately change his playing style so that he'd play sub-optimally. In the short-term, he'd lose a bit of money to other players. In the long-term, he earned a reputation for creating action, and got more games as a result. If he was a 100% winning player, no one would've played with him.

if you want fights go to tama, where moglarr is living (and a lot of pirates). he'll probably undock for you.

Consider a few points:

First, thanks for making a constructive post that actually addresses the mechanics. If you continue to post constructive posts that address the actual ideas, I will respond. I hope you don't revert to ad hominem attacks that ignore the actual proposals.

Second, you seem to think that adding data and intel makes eve easier. But since both you and your enemy get the intel it does not make the war easier. It actually makes it richer and more complex. The more data each side has means that there will be more ways to use that data if you are smart. Look at the other extreme. If you have no data then you just bring your biggest fleet you can and hope for the best. No data turns eve into a dice game. And most dice games are not very complex or strategically rich. More data/intel means more tools smart players can use to gain an edge.

Third, it is clear that the players can not (or are not willing to) scout the war zone without more available tools. We can blame the players all we want but that is not really good game design. There are reasons why players are not fighting for most of the territory. Those reasons are that it is dull and tedious work as opposed to fun and enriching game play.

The fact that ccp bases the consequences of tiers on *all* the systems in the warzone show at least some intent on their part that players will actually try to capture and hold the territory. It's clear that is not working as intended.


I don't know what you mean players will stay docked. Ever since fw came out there have been plenty of people starting threads like this one because fw occupancy is not delivering/decided by the hoped for pvp. This is a problem for the entire game not just faction war. It seems to me that better tools to help players find quality fights will lead to more players resubbing and undocking. Undocking to "roam" around hoping to stumble onto a random good fight gets old for a lot of people.



I fly solo as much as just about anyone. I would love it if more groups of 2-3 came to try to disrupt my plexing. Its not because I am good enough to fight 2-3 at a time (at least not in the same ship class) But because the plex mechanics make it easy to split them up. If they come in 2 destroyers and a frig I can jump in a novice. If they come in 2 frigs and a destroyer I can jump in a destroyer and hope I get some advantage due to them landing on me.

I can also ship up to a cruiser and do mediums. You see what will happen is logistics (and I don't mean guardians but rather supplies of ships) will become important again. Where you have ships and whether you have them close by will be important. This will add a whole level of strategy that the current mechanics do not fully embrace.




Ok I would just point out you are contradicting yourself. First you say 2-3 people will ruin the solo plexers in the area. And now you say no one will bother with the intel. I just ask that you try to think clearly about this, and make up your mind. I can tell you I would cover a certain area and if an enemy plexes in that area I would go fight him. In the meantime I would sit in a plex and let people know I am there so if they want to fight they know where they can find me. People would come and there would be fights. Allot more fights spread out throughout allot more of the war zone than we currently have in the occupancy war. The kills per vp ratio would increase dramatically. As would the number of quality fights per hour pvpers would get.

As far as how much intel would be given I think CCP can tweak with that. Again more intel for both sides means more data they can both use. This does not make the game easier it makes it more complex where the person who can better analyze the data has the advantage over the person who can't. In other words, intel adds complexity and strategy.

Just a newbie's point of view, but I'd like FW to be a true 1 v 1 - frigates vs frigates, navy frigs vs navy frigs, dessies vs dessies, no off grid boosts, no fleets, no option to warp out once you are in, no option to d-scan who's in a plex. You enter a plex. It is a fight. you have to fight. The better pilot wins. No farming - no NPCs. Just a plex that is activated when a pilot warps in and stays until there's a fight and a clear winner.

That wouldn't fix a ******* thing.

You people just need to man up and deal with farmers. You can not keep them out, you can not force them to fight. What's so hard about accepting that?