Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. If you do that, then I want a Drone Repellant in there as well. Please let there be difference between the weapon systems? Pretty please? Let there be Cyclone! Let there be Drake once more! Let there be Phoenix (provided dreads will still be any good come FozzieSov ;-)

Reminder: Need clarity on stacking penalties please.

And script effects - are the assumptions made valid?

Fitting one of these on a caracal for example will require foregoing another mod. Whether it's a nano or BCU. It's a tradeoff for supposedly better damage application. Now to take advantage of a 100km missile range, a caracal will need a sebo to achieve this which in turn means much less tank or no TP. Sniping harpy/corm fits already hit targets out to this range and they don't have to deal with the 100km damage delay or the target supposedly warping off before damage is even applied.

There are still huge problems when fitting Torpedoes on anything that's not a Bomber. There is barely any reason to fit them, especially when so many frigates / cruisers are around. RHML take far fewer resources, apply way better and actually have a chance of hitting a fast target instead of not even hitting.

The RNI has 2k PG ( and 550 CPU ) left after fitting T2 Torps, so you have fitting problems with PG and CPU. It's something that can't be fixed with just an implant so you lose rig / low slots without doing any fancy stuff like dual Cap Booster or MJD + MWD. Other weapon types don't have nearly this much of an issue when fitting their close range weapons.

Yes - but stacking with rigs, or not? Stacking with hull bonuses, or not? (like how the resist bonus stacks with the first invuln on such ships). Indeed, stacking with 1 mid and 1 low fit?

Stacking with each other is one thing - I'm more interested in the other parts.


Also confirming napkin math suggests the RHML armored phoon may well be the new overlords, if one can avoid bombs. It can get hilarious DPS out and applied.

Hull bonuses are, or rather - stack as a hardener (taking the resist ones as an example). Stick an invuln on a worm, for example. You would expect an EM resist of 20% (hull) + 30% (Single invuln) but you get 44%.

The same, first hardener on a non resist bonused hull gives 30% EM resist.


So I'm worried these mods will stack with CNR/phoon/golem/etc/etc ship hull bonuses right out the door. It's unclear.

Then why is the unbonused hull going to 30%? Or am I oversimplifying? It's possible, I'm tired. Maybe best ignoring me, not at my sharpest. I picked EM since it starts at 0.

edit: Yes I need more sleep. Ignore me.

CCP finally decided to invent missile assistance modules. yay! Now I can negotiate mid or low modules with rigs :)

One wondering. Any plans to make some remote modules? It would be great when they come up together.


And, like everyone here says that corresponding EWAR on missile should exist, how about a different mechanism from a td, chaffs - making some of incoming missiles miss the target and/or deals less damage.

It may work in some range - say, chaffs are effective for all the ships in radius 5km, or maybe just for the ship which activates it.

Or simply making the defense missiles be more effective than now + plus making them into mid modules? lol

Can we get these modules seeded on SISI please?!

I'm actually glad there will be no additional electronic warfare applicable to missile doctrines in this patch. It's not needed. Missile boats are hugely susceptible to damps, ecm, and the missiles themselves by smartbombs. That's more than enough. Especially considering the HUGE handicap of delayed damage.