Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'll leave it to general populace to judge the absurdity of your claim of a 250 man fleet as being a one-man show.

All these bads.... I mean casuals come crawling out of the wood work to run their mouths about things they don't have a very good understanding of.

It makes you wonder what their rage is going to be like when the logi nerf lands.

Here's the article.

A good idea for changing gameplay/game design would allow us to apply multiple solutions aa a new way to play the game. This change does not provide that. It provides only 1 viable solution, having a ship at the warp target if it's not a celestial or similar.

I have yet to see you spout another solution to this conundrum.

I like flying in fleets mixed between frigates and cruisers all the way to capitals. I also like to arrive on grid with my mates. Not first cause my T3 cruiser landed on grid ahead of my triage. But hey, calculating relative warp speeds is "situational awarness" according to you.

Also, I love nothing more than waiting for bookmarks to sync after we probe something in a hole. But you knew that already.

Who said anything about a way around this? Like its something to be beaten? What happened to gameplay changes that opened up the game and gave us multiple new options and multiple counters?

Despite your repeated attempts at supporting this change nothing about it makes for compelling gameplay (unless yiu count forum trolling as compelling... which may actually be compelling for you).

Actually, he's right. The current line of FC fittings for our fleets all include the ability to probe.

What's more, most of our FCs are using multiple accounts during every engagement, running their brick-tanked FC ship (which may or may not be a booster) as well as a probing covops. Why? Well, it's really quite simple:

90% of humanity is a bunch of mouth-breathing morons who'd have a hard time finding their heads with both hands if they weren't attached.

This is also why for large organizations, fittings are standardized - we simply don't trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to have the first clue how to fit a ship.

We also tend not to trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to not be shooting his own fleet members during a fight - and experience has proven us right on this one at least once pretty much every fight.

So if you expect the FCs to not be control-freaks who feel like this change means they have to do everything themselves on even more simultaneous logins... you're either incredibly naive, or smoking crack.

And if you think this is unfairly critical of people in general, I encourage you to talk with people who run large organizations outside of EVE. This is not a condition that exists only for explodable internet space pixels. The more points of failure you introduce, the more places failure will occur.

Always.

Edit to add: As for the specific claim about 'a 250 man fleet being a one-man show'... it's usually more like a four-man show. Maybe up to 9 if you want to include the WC's turning their boosts on and off.

So, some of our top pilots just get lucky all the time?
No.
You have always had the option to follow the FC blindly or think for yourself within the context of the battle. That won't change.
What will changes is more ships dying for a short time.
Then people will become more risk adverse and put out scouts even further. If they aren't entirely sure they can beat the others they will turn tail and run. If they are sure, then the other side will run.

This is a very short sighted mechanics change.

Seriously I don’t understand how people don’t learn.

This change will ONLY make fleets more annoying, no fleet will EVER engage with “warp yourself” due to how the game works.
Warp yourself worked back in the days of 10 ship fleets but they are long gone. If you try to warp yourself in a fleet fight you will lose that fight if you have anything like even numbers due to how the game is working. You need to land with the full fleet at the same time or big parts of the fleet will be destroyed before you can even fight back.

This means NO fc will use “warp yourself”, we will wait for a cloaked warping or not engage.

So the “more pilot engagement” argument is BS. Left is some conspiracy theories like CCP don’t want fleet fights anymore, they want solo cruiser gameplay (nerf fleet, make cruisers the best ship class for multiple reasons, nerf capitals take away the need of a fleet to take structures.