Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It delays fleet movement. Makes things take longer.



Can you tell me what problem it solves? Was coordinated fleet movement between corp BMs a problem? Did you have newbros crying about no role? Did WH residents have too much fun using corp bookmarks to move around?

No, this is 100% collateral damage because if it WAS a thing, you simply remove the "lowest speed for a fleet warp" function. They didnt. It's collateral.

For no good reason.

It reminds me of the hillbilly cutting a hedge with a chainsaw on a rope.

Typical example of the heavy-handed axing that we still cannot understand, affecting every type of gameplay in New Eden. Seriously, from a designing perspective this is wrong on too many aspects. This nerf affects the basis of playing with other people in pve and pvp by making it a hassle.

As you sometimes introduce new modules, why not design a new weapon, missile or deployable to help guard against bombs - as that is what some very vocal and persistent forum and CSM members are so afraid of (rightly or wrongly). Perhaps it is in their interest to get a quick fix that does not require thought when putting together fleets with anti-bomber support. Bomber wings are, after all, the only means a smaller entity can field to keep the super-powers in check when they field battleship blobs. That is before they bring the supers (they always do when they are losing, you know) and the real ship design flaws show... And any entity can field bombers, so the best tacticians should win. Small entities always reckon with the presence of supers, and it's hard to see why large entities cannot reckon with the presence of bombers IF you design a balanced counter (not a superbomb doomsdaying every normal bombs within 5 AU...).

I agree that bookmark jumping with fleets is not good gameplay. However, unless you kill the "warp to member" command (and kill fleets entirely) the proposed change is just a very bad annoyance. Earlier you designed a deployable that gives immunity against dscanning. It is rarely used because of reasons. Why not make another module that fires these as probes, also giving (a level of?) immunity to combat probing, similar to what an interdictor does for warping. Almost everyone happy, almost noone affected very badly. Win.

But you have tougher nuts to crack before you roll out the next step of the sov changes, yes, supers and titans. A single (ewar immune) super with an entosis link does real wonders to a system, especially against smaller entities. It does wonders to subscribers' motivation too. By the time you roll out a fix for supers etc, the sov landscape will be entirely dominated by the super-powers, leaving only patches open for pvp cattle farming at their leisure, and it will be too late.


2015 should not go into the history book as the year of disillusion, there's still some time to turn it around. But what's next, delete local in nullsec and can't see - can probe - but can't warp ? Please stop catering to the few.

You can warp the fleet to players.

Same with every other area of space. This doesn't change anything in terms of ships running when they see probes.

It helps to remove the fact that these days one player is effectively flying 251 semi afk ships.

daily fc rage incoming

Please come roam in our space, your gangs will be so easy to catch.

So run sites in defensive fleets. If you are trying to catch them then there is no difference at all in terms of people running the second they see probes.

recons, t3 (c|d), stratios, astero, covertops properly flown.

pick your poison.
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Interceptors work too.

Warping the fleet to a player warps you at the slowest ships speed still.