Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are 100MN reasons saying "HAHAHAHA - no!"

Dearest CCP:

You have 18 pages of (with very few exceptions) players from all walks of EVE telling you this is a awful idea.

I understand why you want to make these changes - to encourage fleet members to have to take a more active role during fleets, versus just sitting there and having their FC or WC or SC do all the warping for them. Sure, I can I see that. I can even get behind that. But this approach is not the way.

Here's a simple solution: Allow someone using probes (be they combat or core probes!) to broadcast: warp to (a ship or a probed result). The same for bookmarks that a individual player has, allow that player to broadcast it, and members of the fleet may now warp to the broadcast.

This accomplishes your goal of forcing fleet members to have to take a more active role without adding a whole new layer of frustration and tedium to EVE. When players head out on a fleet, they want to be doing the stuff they see in your trailers, they don't want to be delegated to serving as a suicide "warp to me" beacon in space. Think about it, does that sound like a fun role to have?

Also, and I would love a serious answer from a Dev on this one (if possible?) ... was any time spent thinking about the logic of this change? We live in a universe that has developed technology that is amazingly advanced, developed true FTL travel, bridged the massive gaps between star systems, yet somehow a probing ship that is in communication with it's probes cannot relay that data to the rest of their fleet to take action on? When you say it out loud, it makes such little sense. Again, I understand taking the ability for the FC to simply warp the blob to those results away (even if I think it is a bad idea!) but not allowing individual members to warp to a broadcast makes very little sense and in my opinion is a very silly change.

Please slow down and focus on what you have already started. Fozziesov has been delayed, many capital ships are still in dire need of balancing, risk vs. reward is woefully broken in many areas, jump fatigue needs a good looking over as almost every single person I know feels that it is way too harsh and limiting, obnoxious bugs exist that have gone on for a long time without a fix (grouping guns in station and only having one of them fire out of the entire group, anyone?), corp management/roles/titles are beyond a pain to configure and use, the new icons are still unreadable @ 90% UI scaling, and this is just the issues I have noticed in under a year of playing. I am confident that players older then me can add to this list, and these are all things that you have started to work on and simply stopped.

In closing, I highly recommend that you listen to your players, as they are trying to tell you something here. Also, perhaps now is a good time to focus on finishing the work you have already started and making "quality of life" improvements before making massive changes to game mechanics that quite frankly make very little sense and feel very much like a "nuke it from orbit" approach to a goal that could be achieved without quite as much collateral damage and wide spread effects to so many aspects of game play.

Thanks for the time and your ear!

Explain to me, like if I was a little kid, how on earth would removing fleet warps to bookmarks or sigs would improve the individual participation of the members of a fleet?
If you can explain that, then you have my permission.

So?

Personally I feel no justification for these changes as stated by others. Fleet warping is a mechanic designated to help members get on grid with targets quicker and to now deal with the cohesion of different ships warping at different speeds. While I think the thought is there I think in practice and applicability creates more headaches for content creators than CCP would like to admit.

Also in junction with probes, squad warps, etc this makes catching Supers in low sec nigh impossible with landing on grid, within point range, being able to catch one as it comes out of warp, moves through systems at very quick align speeds etc. All in all I seriously think these changes are terrible utterly disastrous when it comes to fleet positioning too.

If your warp in dies then it's pretty much akin to being off balance in a fight before it even begins and missed opportunities to capture or pounce upon targets unawares. And let's be frank here.

This is JUST another way for CCP to make competitive groups make more alts and accounts which means more profit for them. It also placea the burden upon FC's and content creators squarely on their shoulders again by making them multi box more accounts and do more things.

This isn't about having anoher player doing something useful. It's about another guy plexing or paying another 15 USD a month to cover another botched half baked idea at the behest of a few people who want this under the guise of "content". If anything this will stop people from wanting to even play with grid issues, fleet placement, establishing tackle, etc.

All in all CCP are shooting themselves in the foot. And let's not even start on the WH issues that CCP have pigeonholed groups into using since phoebe to traverse space.

My point is that "Warping yourself or warping to Wwwww's in fleet" is not a replacement for fleet warp, as it does not synchronize the arrival of your ships. It's so unhelpful for the task that I'm grinning at the absurdity of him suggesting it.

haha!
oh wait, you're being serious...
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

It worked for Incarnagate. That said, this change is for the best.

"you cannot activate your propulsion module while running command links"

This change has plenty of positive impact -- it severely diminishes the efficacy of bombers, whose omnipresence choked off available fleet comps to those that could either not be caught, or had small enough signature radii to shrug off bombing runs. Assuming workarounds are not found, we could see the resurgence of shield doctrines for subcaps. This returns a whole host of ships to combat effectiveness, which, to me, is a win.