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Why no love for our logistics?
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Gh0stBust3rs
Destruction and Pacification Services
#21 - 2015-05-17 21:40:05 UTC
The only way T2 logi frigates would work is if you just buff them to T2 resists. Anything more makes them so broken it would be downright sad.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2015-05-20 21:44:42 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Does this game really need more t2 frigates?



About as much as pvp needs more logi options.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-05-20 22:14:38 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Does this game really need more t2 frigates?



About as much as pvp needs more logi options.


Having only 4 t1 ships as options for frig logi (frig wh) is kinad bad. What other roles only have 4 options, i dont mean 4 best option i mean 4 options total.
Conflict Engaged
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-05-20 23:10:43 UTC
I feel that T2 Frig Logi is needed. No one's going to bring a T1 Cruiser to a T2 Assault Frig fight, because they wouldn't keep up, and T1 Frig Logi really doesn't provide enough repping power for T2 Assault Frigs., or at least as much as it should, in comparison to the repping power of T1 Logi to T1 Cruisers, and T2 Logi to HACs. I agree that T2 Frig Logi is needed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2015-05-21 03:59:27 UTC
Conflict Engaged wrote:
I feel that T2 Frig Logi is needed. No one's going to bring a T1 Cruiser to a T2 Assault Frig fight, because they wouldn't keep up, and T1 Frig Logi really doesn't provide enough repping power for T2 Assault Frigs., or at least as much as it should, in comparison to the repping power of T1 Logi to T1 Cruisers, and T2 Logi to HACs. I agree that T2 Frig Logi is needed.


Look up harpy fleet.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-05-21 09:44:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Look up happy fleet.


Corrected that one for you.

In fact, I'll go one further.

baltec1 wrote:
Look up Happy Feet.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-05-21 09:51:37 UTC
Conflict Engaged wrote:
I feel that T2 Frig Logi is needed. No one's going to bring a T1 Cruiser to a T2 Assault Frig fight, because they wouldn't keep up, and T1 Frig Logi really doesn't provide enough repping power for T2 Assault Frigs., or at least as much as it should, in comparison to the repping power of T1 Logi to T1 Cruisers, and T2 Logi to HACs. I agree that T2 Frig Logi is needed.
Scythes + AFs works perfectly.

On grid, the speed is the same. In warp the Scythes are slower but that's only an issue when you're fast-burning through multiple systems. If the fleet is roaming in a populated area, it doesn't really matter much.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#28 - 2015-05-21 17:41:16 UTC
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Is there realy an area where one would need T2 Logistics?


Please see the earlier posts that mentioned frigate-sized wormholes. There are some places that cruiser-hulled logi cannot go, and that hampers fleet activities.


I was out for about 6 months; they introduced frigate sized wormholes?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Paranoid Loyd
#29 - 2015-05-21 17:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Cipher Jones wrote:
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Is there realy an area where one would need T2 Logistics?


Please see the earlier posts that mentioned frigate-sized wormholes. There are some places that cruiser-hulled logi cannot go, and that hampers fleet activities.


I was out for about 6 months; they introduced frigate sized wormholes?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/into-the-known-unknowns/

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369680

Frigs & Destroyers

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Fix the Prospect!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#30 - 2015-05-21 19:06:29 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Is there realy an area where one would need T2 Logistics?


Please see the earlier posts that mentioned frigate-sized wormholes. There are some places that cruiser-hulled logi cannot go, and that hampers fleet activities.


I was out for about 6 months; they introduced frigate sized wormholes?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/into-the-known-unknowns/

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369680

Frigs & Destroyers


Thats a lot of information and most of it is ambiguous.

Quote:
pretty sure the sig just tells you what system you connect to, not where it originates from, exactly like the sigs we had before.
Had a L005 today C5->C2..


So I would Imagine they added the smaller holes but kept the old ones? any and all wormholes would be useless if you couldn't get some kind of transport in and out of them? Cannot imagine a C5 with only a frig sized hole. Seems they simply added frig sized holes in addition to the ones they already had.

Sorry for the (almost) derailment. Still trying to understand. Is there some WSpace that ONLY frigs and dessies can access? That would build a lot stronger case for t2 frig logi. Otherwise I cant see any case at all. And TBH the case is pretty weak if there are 'only small ship' wh's out there, because how much damage is a small ship going to take before it pops? Not more than the logis we already have pump out I dont think.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Conflict Engaged
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-05-21 21:49:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Conflict Engaged wrote:
I feel that T2 Frig Logi is needed. No one's going to bring a T1 Cruiser to a T2 Assault Frig fight, because they wouldn't keep up, and T1 Frig Logi really doesn't provide enough repping power for T2 Assault Frigs., or at least as much as it should, in comparison to the repping power of T1 Logi to T1 Cruisers, and T2 Logi to HACs. I agree that T2 Frig Logi is needed.


Look up harpy fleet.

The Harpy fleet have 0 buffer, therefore they're okay, but ships that are buffered, like the Wolf, have a harder time with reps.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#32 - 2015-05-21 21:57:22 UTC
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Is there realy an area where one would need T2 Logistics?


Please see the earlier posts that mentioned frigate-sized wormholes. There are some places that cruiser-hulled logi cannot go, and that hampers fleet activities.



I just double checked the EULA. There are no specific rules about engaging in pvp without logistical support. You're like this girl I used to go out with. You don't understand the difference between a 'want' (those to die for red pumps) and a 'need' (dinner).

You want to always have logi support, but you don't have to have logi support.

Game isn't broken. Over use of logi is broken.

TL/DR Leave the logi at home for once.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-05-22 04:51:34 UTC
the Need for logi support is when you want to win against that other fleet that have logi support. If oyu dont care you can just start suiciding on POSs in high sec.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#34 - 2015-05-22 19:00:41 UTC
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
the Need for logi support is when you want to win against that other fleet that have logi support. If oyu dont care you can just start suiciding on POSs in high sec.


I rarely have logi in fleet. I do OK. I'm not awesome, but I do OK.
Conflict Engaged
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-05-22 23:32:42 UTC
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
the Need for logi support is when you want to win against that other fleet that have logi support. If oyu dont care you can just start suiciding on POSs in high sec.


Why do you think 'that other fleet' brings logi in the first place?
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