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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#301 - 2015-03-03 20:54:45 UTC
Can we get this stickied?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#302 - 2015-03-04 01:50:02 UTC
Estella Osoka,

That very same question has been asked a few times in the past. Maybe CCP has run out of glue.

Big smile

Thanks for posting.



DMC
Paranoid Loyd
#303 - 2015-03-04 01:53:22 UTC
Reported requesting sticky, everyone else should too.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#304 - 2015-03-05 03:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Shocked


I don't know if that will work but thanks anyway .......................



DMC
Papera Ebaki
Onyx Cartel
Caldari Alliance
#305 - 2015-05-03 05:27:16 UTC
Hi DeMichael,

First up - thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for the guide!

Second, and my main question, my goal is to have all main empire factions >+5.0 for doing lvl 4 missions with 'any-one'.

I currently have social (5) and connections/diplomacy (4). Min/Gal are just over 5.0 with Ama/Cal around the 1.0ish mark (actually slightly negative but Diplomacy is making them positive).

The part I am confused with reading your plan is, if I continue to do any more cosmos/data agents for either Ama/Cal I will drop below 5.0 for Min/Gal. Dropping below 5.0 on Min/Gal locks me out of some of there lvl 4s which is my goal.

Basically, my fear is if I keep following the plan I might end up with say 3.0? faction for all 4 empires which means I'd have to wait every 3 months for the SOE arc to come around and slowly boost each one in turn till 5.0

Therefore, may I ask how you'd approach fixing up my lop-sided factions with the goals;
- 'Trying' to keep min/gal above 5.0
- 'Trying to get ama/cal above 5.0 also (from around 1.0)

Also, there is mention not to accept regular 'shoot-faction' missions. No worries, but what if the storyline mission given asks me to shoot opposing faction ships? Do I have to decline and then grind another 16 to see what the next storyline requests?

Thanks in advance.

Again, I honestly appreciate your work.

P
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2015-05-03 20:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hello Papera Ebaki,

Thank you very much for the compliment. It's always good to see 'The Plan' is still helping Capsuleers.

Now about your situation. First let's address the grinding of 16 regular missions to gain a Storyline mission offer.

Yes, if offered a Storyline encounter mission against Empire Factions, decline it and continue grinding regular missions to get another Storyline offer. The same applies to grinding regular missions. If offered an encounter mission against Empire Factions, decline it and if necessary, wait out the 4 hour decline timer or access another Agent. That way any positive standings previously gained won't be damaged. I know it makes the process longer but it's well worth it.

As for your main issue, first off train Diplomacy and Connections to level 5 asap. That will give you a much better idea on how to proceed. Secondly, I can't really give advice on what steps to do without knowing how many Event Agents you've already accessed.

When working 'The Plan', the standings will do a 'Sea-Saw' action, meaning they will go up and down with the completion of each Event Agent. The main thing to do is to keep watch on the standings and 'bounce' over to the Faction with the lowest standings while you still have access to that level of Agent.

For example :

Let's say you've already accessed all level 1 and level 2 Event Agents for Minmatar and Gallente Factions with Minmatar above +5.00 standing and Gallente above +4.00 standing. Amarr Faction is currently at +1.00 standing and Caldari is +1.50 standing. Since Amarr Faction standing is the lowest and Minmatar Faction standing is the highest, work the Amarr Event Agents and keep watch on Minmatar Faction standing until it get's close to yet still remains above +3.00 Faction standing, then 'bounce' back to Minmatar and work their level 3 Event Agents.

Note : When doing that, Gallente Faction can be used instead of Minmatar since Gallente standings won't be hit as hard when working Amarr Event Agents. As such, their standings will probably become higher than Minmatar allowing access to their level 3 Event Agents.

Anyway, while doing that, keep watch on the other Factions and whichever one becomes the lowest standing, that's the next Faction to 'bounce' to and work. The trick is to maintain access to the current or next level of Event Agents for that Faction. Sometimes it can't be done and that's when the grinding of 16 regular missions for a Storyline offer is needed to get back to working 'The Plan'.

Eventually the Empire Faction standings will get close to being equal which is the initial goal. After that it's basically work one Factions Event Agent and then 'bounce' to another Factions Event Agent to slowly bring them all up together. The Epic Arcs are excellent for doing this, especially the level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc which allows you to choose one of the four main Empire Factions for completion.

I hope this info helps and feel free to ask questions again if needed. May you have good luck and much success working 'The Plan'.


DMC

EDIT :

When I did the Amarr Cosmos, I used the guide listed in 'The Plan' and first worked half of it which was all of the level 1 to level 3 Cosmos Agents. Then later after working Caldari Event Agents my Amarr standings were raised up enough to allow access to the last half of the Amarr Cosmos (the level 4 Agents).
Sentenced 1989
#307 - 2015-05-04 08:37:55 UTC
Papera Ebaki wrote:
Hi DeMichael,

First up - thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for the guide!

Second, and my main question, my goal is to have all main empire factions >+5.0 for doing lvl 4 missions with 'any-one'.

I currently have social (5) and connections/diplomacy (4). Min/Gal are just over 5.0 with Ama/Cal around the 1.0ish mark (actually slightly negative but Diplomacy is making them positive).

The part I am confused with reading your plan is, if I continue to do any more cosmos/data agents for either Ama/Cal I will drop below 5.0 for Min/Gal. Dropping below 5.0 on Min/Gal locks me out of some of there lvl 4s which is my goal.

Basically, my fear is if I keep following the plan I might end up with say 3.0? faction for all 4 empires which means I'd have to wait every 3 months for the SOE arc to come around and slowly boost each one in turn till 5.0

Therefore, may I ask how you'd approach fixing up my lop-sided factions with the goals;
- 'Trying' to keep min/gal above 5.0
- 'Trying to get ama/cal above 5.0 also (from around 1.0)

Also, there is mention not to accept regular 'shoot-faction' missions. No worries, but what if the storyline mission given asks me to shoot opposing faction ships? Do I have to decline and then grind another 16 to see what the next storyline requests?

Thanks in advance.

Again, I honestly appreciate your work.

P



What I'm doing for myself is just to get social to level 5.
Decline every mission which sends me out to kill Empire NPC's.
Decline every storyline mission no matter what.
That keeps your standings without changes, so you can run as many missions as you want and it won't change a thing.

After that I go for epic arcs, they bring big boost to certain faction with no penalties to others if you play it right.
This is what I have now for standings: standings

Also, here is guide to epic arcs: epic arc guide *

*Guides are being updated, Amarr and Caldari has recent pass and are up to date and with easy mission selection menus. Minmatar and Gallente are up to date but with old styling so it's a bit harder to navigate the missions, new pass will be done on them over next weekend
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#308 - 2015-05-04 16:32:17 UTC
There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#309 - 2015-05-04 17:13:09 UTC
DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?

I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V.
Padegejas
Vite
#310 - 2015-05-05 07:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Padegejas
Civ Kado wrote:
There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age.


And its great that CCP does not agree with you (I hope they will not in future either). And if "this grinding is insane" for you, most probably you can do other things, that are not / do not seem insane for you. Well... ruining your standing was the greatest insanity to start off and if you ruined it, most probably it happened because you thought: "reading guides and gathering information is for sassies and it's insane waste of time - there should be easier way to do that" so you went straight for shooting and blowing things. You had other options and made your choice Blink.

The main thing which makes this game really good is that you have free choice and the choices you make bring you consequences.
Anthar Thebess
#311 - 2015-05-05 10:22:51 UTC
How to fix Concord standings?
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#312 - 2015-05-05 13:04:24 UTC
Padegejas wrote:
Civ Kado wrote:
There should be an easier way to repair faction standings a la security tags for your own security standings. all this grinding is insane for this day and age.


And its great that CCP does not agree with you (I hope they will not in future either). And if "this grinding is insane" for you, most probably you can do other things, that are not / do not seem insane for you. Well... ruining your standing was the greatest insanity to start off and if you ruined it, most probably it happened because you thought: "reading guides and gathering information is for sassies and it's insane waste of time - there should be easier way to do that" so you went straight for shooting and blowing things. You had other options and made your choice Blink.

The main thing which makes this game really good is that you have free choice and the choices you make bring you consequences.

You're making a lot of assumptions that are making you look anything but good.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2015-05-06 05:54:14 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?

I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V.

Well, that's pretty close.

When your standings are neutral or a little bit negative, the amount of standing gained from completing the low level Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data 'Cert' Agents) actually equals out to be quite large.

The path I'd take to quickly gain a significant amount of positive standing would be to first complete the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents along with the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert'). Next step would be to complete the rest of the Data Center Agents.

Of course those steps should be done for the Allied Faction as well.

For example :

Work the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Minmatar along with the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Gallente. Then after completing those Agents, work the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert') for both Factions, then complete the rest of the Data Center Agents for both Factions.


DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#314 - 2015-05-06 05:56:22 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
How to fix Concord standings?

That's a good question. Unfortunately at this time there is no way to actually fix Concord Standings.

Sorry I couldn't help more.



DMC
Sentenced 1989
#315 - 2015-05-07 08:26:47 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
DMC if your goal were to bring an empire faction straight from 0.0 to 5.0 as quick (fewest gameplay hours) as possible, what would the method be?

I'm thinking its buy all the affordable data center tags for the faction of interest, and its main ally, and turn those in. Then buy the lv 2 cosmos items for both factions on contract and turn those in as well. I think in this case the circle agents and 'starter' agents would generally be a waste of time. I wonder if that would be enough, assuming you had the relevant social skills trained to V.

Well, that's pretty close.

When your standings are neutral or a little bit negative, the amount of standing gained from completing the low level Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data 'Cert' Agents) actually equals out to be quite large.

The path I'd take to quickly gain a significant amount of positive standing would be to first complete the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents along with the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert'). Next step would be to complete the rest of the Data Center Agents.

Of course those steps should be done for the Allied Faction as well.

For example :

Work the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Minmatar along with the 3 level 1 Data 'Cert' Agents for Gallente. Then after completing those Agents, work the Storyline Agent mission (Name on the 'Cert') for both Factions, then complete the rest of the Data Center Agents for both Factions.


DMC


I didn't do the math on this one, but I think you would be better off doing faction ally first and getting your main factions standings in the process, then after ally is done, then swap to main faction agents. I've noticed that when ever I did fast raising like this if I picked Amarr empire and did their agents first, then Caldari agents, I would end up with more Caldari standings in the end.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2015-05-09 04:46:57 UTC
Sentenced 1989 wrote:
I didn't do the math on this one, but I think you would be better off doing faction ally first and getting your main factions standings in the process, then after ally is done, then swap to main faction agents. I've noticed that when ever I did fast raising like this if I picked Amarr empire and did their agents first, then Caldari agents, I would end up with more Caldari standings in the end.

Yeah, in that scenario Amarr stops giving derived standing gains to Caldari when Caldari get's to +7.00 Faction Standing whereas Caldari stops giving derived standing gains to Amarr when Amarr gets to +5.00 Faction Standing.

As for Gallente and Minmatar, they both stop giving Derived Standing gains when their ally gets to +8.00 Faction Standing.

Always a good idea to check the Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier graph first.
Quote:
Please note: In the Standing Relationships graph that's linked above, the 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down and the 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.




DMC
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#317 - 2015-05-11 10:50:13 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Maybe CCP has run out of glue.
It took a while, but a new shipment has just arrived!

In other words, thread stickied.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#318 - 2015-05-11 10:55:14 UTC
Finally! Thanks Oba.. I mean, Ezwal.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#319 - 2015-05-13 05:42:26 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Maybe CCP has run out of glue.
It took a while, but a new shipment has just arrived!

In other words, thread stickied.

Shocked

Hope it was a big shipment.!!!!

Big smile



DMC
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#320 - 2015-05-13 20:25:24 UTC
Oh my goodness, oh my goodness, oh my goodness.... so pleased this guide still exists....

Now that the theatrics are out of the way Lol I need some help.

I'm returning to the game, probably in a smaller capacity than previously (famous last words) and ..... I might be bringing the Mrs with me.

She has expressed her discontent at pew pew and wants to do some trading. We'll be creating a new account for her to put 2 (possible 4) traders in the 2/4 main hubs and between us we'll use another of my existing characters to haul (I ain't do that!).

However I want to grind some standings for her and am unsure of how best to approach this.

Let me give you the lay of the land and hopefully someone will give me some decent (and hopefully accurate Big smile) advice.

I have three accounts (not all live again yet). Each of these accounts is headed by a main combat character. Two are outstanding and one is a cheap Tengu pilot. But I think for the sake of standings they will be fine.

My no.1 Character (Barrak here) has various standings all over the place. I think he is key to achieving stuff, but this is based on my extensive knowledge of nothing. Oddly Barrak seems to have great Caldari Navy standing and poor state but strong Minnie and Gallente standings. I used to run a ton of Caldari Navy L4's years ago and I think I tried my hand at Faction warfare which might explain that.

Faction Standings:
Minmatar Republic 7.81 (up from 7.39 connections)
Gallente Federation 6.47 (up from 5.80 connections)
Sisters of EvE 4.96 (up from 4 connections)
Caldari State 1.56

NPC corporations:
Caldari Navy 8.93
Tribal Liberation Force 8.92
Republic Security Services 6.33

At this stage I am unable to tell if my other two combat characters have any standings anywhere. They are showing nothing in EvEMon and EvEboard.

I do have an existing trader that also has decent standings

Faction Standings:
Caldari State 6.08 (up from 5.54)
Ammatar Mandate 6.48 (up from 6)
Amarr Empire 5.60 (from 5)
Minmatar -2.5
Gallente -2.66

Is there a way to utilise either of these characters to the benefit of the others?

I've been away so long I can not recall how you can use two characters to benefit eachother for standings (if you can at all).

Any advice is most welcome.

Regards

Barrak