Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I still would like to see a reason, any reason, to mine ore in low sec. It's more dangerous than null with much less payoff. In fact the payoff is only marginally better than high sec, with a good deal more risk.

you can poke your revamp,give us back our isboxer for nullsec miners,ban the use of it in pvp only

You seem to forget that even mining has pvp in it.

So it looks like it's still banned.

The small increase in profitability is quickly removed when you include ship losses and time spent avoiding said ship losses.

I predict lowsec mining would get a boost in popularity similiar to the faction warfare fix if mining suddenly became viable.

This is one of the things I love about this game. You get to see economic theory in action such as supply and demand, and in the case of the above comment, rent seeking. Awesome.

I was expressing frustration (due to location or time zone) at the need for Fleet Booster in mining ship choices because mining without one feels really dumb after you've seen the effects of a good booster. So for the person who isn't going to multibox a full fleet or sit in a busy system I was thinking of a mind-link type thing and the T3 was with Strat Cruiser ability to fit links. A deployable would be feasible alternative and easier to adjust.

The Tactical Destroyer model is tempting but you already do that currently by effectively choosing which Barge / Exhumer you field.



While I'm a roll of terrible, how about adding Jump Fatigue reduction bonuses to Barge / Exhumers same as the Industrials. Right now it is a limiting factor in harvesting resources in null systems without stations.

Thanks for the answers. I have no doubt your operational costs are higher. The point I am trying to make is why the changes if nothing is fundamentally broken?

This has the potential of negatively impacting hundreds of new players like myself who are training up skills while at the same time observing things and learning. That is why I'm a solo miner. I'm not into getting into PvP right now because my skills are so low it would not be much of a fight. Fun yes, but it's a waste of resources for me which I don't have. What game do the new players have if they are not the masochistic type and trying to build a strong future?

I'm here to find out the answers to my questions. From what I've read these changes are not necessary. The only reason for them is jump fatigue which is a big failure and hated by virtually all who inhabit Null. It's a carrot to keep you guys going while punishing other players. I thought this game was in a fairly stable position given the amount of time it's been going but changing things like this so radically shows I was wrong. This is not fine tuning the system. It's like trying to fix a watch with a hammer. I'll keep reading and trying to learn but what I am seeing is a lot of hands rubbing together ripe with greed. While I can't blame you, I don't share your excitement.

I think we can agree that upgraded anomalies should be something of value in sov nullsec.

Currently, their primary worth is in the high end minerals that they supply, which can then be transported to highsec for sale. Even with this though, the rocks are only 50%ish higher in value than highsec rocks in value. (Before the recent Mega/Zydrine spike with the announced changes).

The reason we import lowends is because for every m3 of highend rock we mine, someone has to mine (demonstration number, no promise of accuracy) nine times as much Veldspar in order to achieve the correct mix for manufacturing.

Consider the following (Bill Nye impression): If there is no importing of bulk lowend minerals to nullsec (once they nerf the JF), how valuable to local production is anomaly which only spawns highends?

Highend only anomalies are like diamond mines: What comes out of them is not very useful at the mine, but if you take it somewhere else, people give you enough money to pay for importing all the food, paying the workers, maintaining the infrastructure, and even having a bit of profit left over

If one day, food imports became impossible, the workers at the diamond mine suddenly to spend 90% of their time growing food/maintaining infrastructure and 10% of their time mining diamonds.

In our case, under the current anomalies and production values, nullsec miners would spend 10% of the time mining highends in the anomalies, and 90% of their time stripping belts of Veld and Scordite.

So how useful is a series of upgraded respawning anomalies where all the ore in it has a near infinite supply, barely any demand, and is easier to harvest than Veldspar and thus actually less valuable than Veldspar?

If you answered "Not much", you would be correct.

TLDR: It's not broken now, but if CCP were to nerf JF's (which they have outright said they will do), it would be completely broken. This change is one of the prerequisites to them nerfing the JF.

I never said I was entitled to anything. Is it not your self righteous crowd that always moans on and on like two year olds about how highsec players should stand up for themselves? My repeated posts in this forum is just that. Fighting for how I play the game and where I choose to play it.

Rather than do that why not just get CCP to change the proportions of the minerals within the ores? Or you could even get them to change the mineral content for the blueprints?

Eve use to be a sandbox. Nowadays it seems to be going down the push button for candy route.