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New Burner Missions on Singularity

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CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-04-10 17:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Lebowski
Greetings test loving pilots!

As some of the more inquisitive of you may have already noticed, the current build on Singularity contains two new burner missions, one Serpentis and one Blood Raiders!

As of today we'll be disabling all missions except for these Burner missions to allow for easier testing. These missions will be available from any standard level 4 security agent, though other missions may initially be offered.

We'll leave the rest of the details for you to find out for yourselves, but as before expect these to be pretty challenging! Lol

As always please try them out, give us some feedback here & submit bug reports for any issues you find. I'll add any known issues to this post as we go.

Known issues/features yet to be implemented
  • Mission name & description.
  • NPC names.

Happy Testing,

CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0

@CCP_Lebowski

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-04-10 19:25:59 UTC
now would be a good time to install sisi so I can explode a whole lot when I get home from work Bear

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
#3 - 2015-04-10 22:24:29 UTC
Hello Mr. Lebowski! Thanks for the official post. I decided at work today I was going to start this thread if it didn't exist by the time I got online... glad you beat me to it.

Have been playing with the Serp Talos a bit the past few evenings. I like that the fight feels "bigger" in terms of play area and grid compared to the frigate burners. The matrix of sentries helps give that play area some depth; is easier to mentally "see" the distances involved with the matrix for reference.

I'm also hoping that we get a little more wiggle room in terms of viable fits and overall . The frigate versions feel like there are 1 or 2 ships/fits that seem to work.

I've been trying to keep a log of testing to date over at http://evedogsbreath.blogspot.com/

I almost had him down in a Sacri 2 nights ago and thought I could get there with some adjustment to the fit. Last night I was surprised to see 3x Talos after the SISI patch (was that a bug?). They melted my face so fast it might stay that way. Blink

More to follow.

// Aba
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#4 - 2015-04-11 00:26:36 UTC
So is this the "Cruiser" missions referred to at Fanfest and the o7 Show?

Because "Cruiser" and "Battlecruiser" are not quite the same, or did they intent to say "Battlecruiser" and we aren't going to be getting actual "Cruiser" burners? Cause there was never a mention of "Battlecruiser" burners before the thread the other day saying they found it before any announcements were made.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-11 02:10:18 UTC
Cruiser burner missions?

I'm assuming T3's are locked out of participating.

Not that it matters to me, personally, because it'll be a good long time before this toon sees anything but nullsec....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-04-11 04:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton
just got home and DT in ~19 mins, Hopefully get one go in!

apparently declining the mission in hopes of getting a mission closer to home -> the agent doesn't give you any mission as they only have one mission in the pool.

anyone know of a station with a lv4 agent that also has a seeded market on sisi (caldari/amarr/soe)?

also I don't have a monocle on sisi Sad

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Miali Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-04-11 04:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Miali Askulf
Ok so the three talos version is annoying but easy enough in a deimos, although damage was still quite noticeable on a ~2k dps hybrid tank. Seems like it'd be quite hard for ships without the T2 caldari/gallente resist profile to get enough tank.

The talos have extreme (>>100k but not infinite) range, seemingly very high tracking and do a ton of damage as well as damp. They warp disrupt at about 24k. They're active tanked but 450 dps or so was able to break them pretty quickly. I'm assuming they're currently bugged as I never saw them break 80m/s or so.

The sentry towers won't aggress unless you get very close, so can be ignored. You can however warp to them (at which point the one you land on will aggress), which is handy for getting in range as they're quite far apart. Looks like they have a chance to drop faction stuff as I got some guardian ammo.

I don't think these missions focusing on one or two damage types is a great idea as T2 resists are simply far too big of a factor - if they do enough kin/thermal damage to threaten T2 gallente resists almost anything else will get obliterated.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-04-11 06:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Thx CCP Lebowski.

One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.

I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.

As kiting example:
VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both.
Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Maichin Civire
#9 - 2015-04-11 06:40:22 UTC
Can we get standing boost on sisi against some serpentis sites? Or just do, that I can fight against them. At the moment I can't fly any of lvl 4 missions, and grinding for it on sisi seems to be counterproductive.
Miali Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-04-11 08:55:46 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
Thx CCP Lebowski.

One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.

I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.

As kiting example:
VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both.
Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority.


The serpentis burner in it's current form is all but unkitable (they're rail talos and hit out to at least 120-140k or so with seemingly good tracking). Maybe a max range cerberus could, but a bomber will likely be alpha'd and a no tank ishtar won't last much longer.
Legion40k
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#11 - 2015-04-11 10:38:33 UTC
holy sentry turrets batman xD

screenshot with a portable potato

doable with a basic t2 fit Deimos, though gotta be careful with piloting skills - was not expecting that alpha!

pretty fun, I like it =D
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-04-11 11:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Miali Askulf wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Thx CCP Lebowski.

One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.

I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.

As kiting example:
VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both.
Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority.


The serpentis burner in it's current form is all but unkitable (they're rail talos and hit out to at least 120-140k or so with seemingly good tracking). Maybe a max range cerberus could, but a bomber will likely be alpha'd and a no tank ishtar won't last much longer.


It depends on the tracking, 100MN VNI/Ishtar is an option i will test that later on. Through in a high grade snake + links and see were that goes.
However i didn't specifically meant the Serpentis, i meant it in generally as the Blood Raider was far to easy to kite.


Edit:
Recons are allowed in, right? Falcon/Rook + 1x DPS ship could be the easy way out. Don't know if i like that

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-04-11 13:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
@CCP Lebowski

All agents offer the Burner Serpentis only 1x time after that the agents don't offer any missions at all as if my standing is to low.

Clear Cache doesn't help either ;)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#14 - 2015-04-11 15:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Same as above. They don't give me more missions.

Also those guys really hate drones. Like you can tank them with drones. No, seriously. As soon as I drop valks, they switch aggro and leave me be. Which is fun because they can't hit the drones until the target explodes and drones stop.

So minus 2 valks for 3... taloses? talosii? talii?

Done in a blaster deimos with voids and about 1500 thermal tank (2 T2 aux nano, 2 T2 Thermic hard, single Reactive hard, single rep).

P.S.: No. shooting talos-shaped turrets is NOT fun. Even if there are many of them. The initial version was much much better. I even had devious plans involving MJD structures and gimmick fitted Tier3s that probably could work given the similar trick worked with a vargur.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2015-04-11 17:53:33 UTC
The mission is not covered by a deadspace. While this does allow warping to the sentry guns to quickly move about within the grid, it also means that a shuttle can enter first, bookmark the grid, leave, and then come back directly to the bookmark in a Marauder, bypassing the acceleration gate.

My Kinetic/Thermal-tanked Kronos with Railguns and a Bastion module was able to deal with the Taloses easily.

Outside High Security, this means that a carrier can also warp into the mission and curbstomp the Taloses.

Survivor of Teskanen.  Fan of John Rourke.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#16 - 2015-04-11 19:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
Seriously ? 180 turrets ? and 3 battlecruisers ?
Shocked

Turrets: Group of ( 6 x 5 ) in grid of 6 = 180

Maybe you should put in 50000 aoe doomsdaying titans and 20000 smart bombing battleships, that's better for level 4 mission that can only be done in a cruiser.

ScreenShots:
http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc1.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc2.png


This is nuts.
No wonder no one does these missions.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#17 - 2015-04-11 23:43:50 UTC
Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time.

Survivor of Teskanen.  Fan of John Rourke.

I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#18 - 2015-04-12 00:00:56 UTC
Seamus Donohue wrote:
Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time.

Well i can't tank this in normal t-2 fit paladin, so it's not possible to do with a cruiser.
Locke DieDrake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-04-12 00:42:53 UTC
Spc One wrote:
Seamus Donohue wrote:
Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time.

Well i can't tank this in normal t-2 fit paladin, so it's not possible to do with a cruiser.


First of all, what you can do isn't relevant to what anyone else could do.

Second, yes it can be done in a cruiser, with links, drugs and a perfect fit/skills. Others have done it already.

Lastly, they are ridiculous, that is without a doubt true.
Drosal Inkunen
Spreadsheeters
#20 - 2015-04-12 01:07:14 UTC
Are they going to make it so you can't just warp into it with a pod, grab bookmarks near the cruisers, and then warp directly on top of them? While it got the mission done, it made me feel incredibly dirty.
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