Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sure. If you had the disposable income to throw at flying to Iceland at the same time that an eclipse spiked all the air fares and hotel prices.

If not, SOL, right?

And how much fun are you going to have guarding that thing for 4 hours a day, every day while the trollcepters and t3 destryoyers buzz around?

People want fights not stag duty in space.

Where else would you have me gather my information, anecdotal? I do that as well but, yes, I take the data presented to me by CCP as true. If they feed me false information then they would reasonably expect bad returns on said decisions based on the false information. Garbage in, garbage out.

I agree that, at times, people lie about the situation at hand to influence decisions or make their own case seem stronger. The question always becomes 'who is lying'.

When presented with data and graphs I am the first to examine it for the details and the parameters (comes from being a math teacher, I used to critique each of Eyjo's graphs as well). As for your own statements about what I claimed . . . well there were a few errors in there that I actually do lessons on. If you have a RL corp that pays minimum wage to 49 employees and then the CEO of said RL corp takes home 25 million a year then the average salary for the people in that company will be? I made no claims about 'individual income'. Always a risky thing to do in this day and age when there is the ever popular bad guy of the 1%.

Tell me, have you asked the CSM members who are also members of your own alliance whether they have properly represented you or am I somehow special in you having expectations in that I actually DO come out and engage? Lastly, what makes you think I have not taken the concerns I thought were justified 'up the ladder'? Because everything has not changed overnight? Because I did not scream things from the rooftop but rather prefer to communicate in a rational manner?

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Oh, for the record, the 'average salary' would be a cool half million. That is called a Mean.
The Mode and Median would tell another story.
Yeah, math and especially statistics are tricksy.

- M. Twain

yea, and he will die to the rest of the trollceptor gang;

what you and the ppl like you faill to understand is how deadly the "trollceptors" gangs will be; and no, they don't need to have more then one fitted with entosis link, the rest will be combat fit.
now, maybe some of you can get out of that "single player mode" you are atm, and switch into multiplayer; and tell me how easy will be chasing a gang of intyes around for 4h...; or sbs for that matter, or a combination of intys and ew/fitted bombers/ewfrigs/recons

and one more thing: what index will have a new conquered system?
you just managed a big victory and conquered a new system? you better hurry back in less that 5' or else...

Then we will have a fight. and thats perfect. And I agree with you in that is going to be a boring fight. I already had lots of boring fights, with all the iterations of Sovereignity we have had, with one side running away as soon as you appear in the field.

I only expect it will be more boring for the ceptors, who have to be there while we are somewhere else doing something that we like.

After writing this last sentence I realized that I'm here defending the possibility of trollceptors when I will never use one. But I really don't like to forbid alternatives.



I really expect that it increses exponentially, so you can have a good multiplier in a couple of days. Or you will loose it as fast as you conquered it, trollceptor or not.

... heh, let me explain this again; this time i'll do it slowlly like for small kids:
there won't be a fight;
or there will be one only if the ceptor gang consider they can win;
otherwise they will just warp around trying to pick some easy targets; if they can't they will just move few systems away and start again...
the problem is that you as a defender have no choice but to follow them around, and do this all over again, till the 4h time periods expire or one of the two gangs gets bored.

like i said, this system leave the attackers with all the options, while the defenders have only one option :chase after them around and try to make them move away/leave

You talk of a "trollceptor gang" like people are going to be roaming in packs, instead of the single ship tactic that's being discussed. If you have a whole gang of enemy trollceptors rolling in, that's not a troll attempt, that's a "get off your lazy butts, scramble the fleets and defend your sov space" attack. It has been said before in this thread that there are ways to counter the Interceptors, but all you guys want to do is whine and complain about how hard it's going to be and how much space you're going to lose and how the evil trolls are going to troll you then run off laughing.

This system is meant to disrupt the status quo, and do it in a big way. You will lose space here. You will see your territory shrink. You want space, you better be ready to fight for it. Dust off the sub-cap fleets, and patrol your turf. Start thinking outside of the box and looking at new ways to counter the possible threats - nothing is going to be untouchable here. This system, right here, is CCP pretty much taking all hands off of Sov mechanics and telling you slackers to actually fight and continue to fight for your space. Just because your flag is flying doesn't mean that you're going to continue to hold the system just because you can batphone a bajillion capitals. This system is designed to let smaller insurgent fleets come in and deal a major blow to some big time players if they decide to slack off.

And yea, I fully expect that the smaller alliances (such as my own) are going to lose whatever turf they have right away. And we're going to have to fight harder than ever to get it back. So either sit back and watch the fireworks or contribute to the conversation and be part of the solution and not just another whine from the peanut gallery. I'm a highsec carebear for all intents and purposes and I've offered up more suggestions on balancing the upcoming modules then the bulk of you trollceptor doomsayers.

So again, just to reiterate my points for the folks just joining the party:
- T1 Link only on Cruiser-class and smaller ships - trolls shouldn't have it easy, and penalties applied to the T1 module would ensure this.
- 10 minute cycle time on the T1 module, 3 minute on the T2 (2 if you use a command ship). Just because you're fast and cheap doesn't mean you should be able to get away with a short capture timer. BCs-up should get the faster time because they have increased risk and cost.
- 20km T1 range, 250km T2 range. Again, smaller ship needs more risk, and that risk is needing to be closer to the fight.
- [Outside of current thread disccussion] - the constellation-wide node capture event is going to be problematic, especially if you have neighbors that are not blue to you.

And a new thought to add - higher indices on a system should carry a longer capture time here. Like upwards of 2-3 hours. Anything under an hour is much too fast, especially given how much investment there is.

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Op success.

This emphasis on trollceptors is indicative of the real problem. The reason why people keep talking about trollceptors is because nobody is serious about actually taking space. No one wants to take sov except as a joke.

CCP might be making it easier to take space, but they're not giving us any reason to keep it. We might see more unclaimed systems, and that's their big shake up of nullsec. It might be too annoying and pointless under this system to hold certain systems, so maybe we won't, but that doesn't necessarily mean anyone is going to move into them. Whether we hold the systems a few jumps from our staging system or not is irrelevant, we can still either beat anyone who tries to move in immediately adjacent to us or we can't. Whether they're pointing a laser at a thing or in a dread in siege mode shooting a thing is a strategic difference that now actually disincentivizes meaningful military investment in sov warfare.

Fozzie says people are making, and I quote, "****-tons" of isk in ratting anomalies, therefore, everthing is fine. As per the Eve Down Under podcast, CCP hath ordained that incentives for holding sov have already been addressed. Nevermind that ratting is completely boring and un-fun. No one wants to take sov because all they'd get out of it is some more forsaken hubs. What's the worst that could happen if they take a random system, it messes up our jump bridge system? Nice one. All we hold space for is to rat in and keep moons, and moons don't require sov and also don't directly benefit the line members. Our alliance may have money, and we may make a decent income, but our alliance's ability to comfortable reimburse our combat ship loss doesn't give us a motivation to fight over anything.

Nullsec is stagnant because there's actually very little reason to undock except to sit AFK in a hub. But a lot of us are sitting AFK in a hub so clearly the only problem is we don't have enough lasers to point at things.

Well we've had loads of people wanting to end our 0.0 dream but they don't have one themselves.

Given the successes seen in ending us, it would been to be a waste of planning time to lay out what to do afterwards.