Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have a hard time believing you don't actually see the difference between a 250m ISK structure anchored in place with three hours warning before a structure is at risk and a 100m ISK ship going 4000 m/s with 2 minutes warning before a structure is at risk.

lies! the new system is wonderful, and will be the downfall of goons! it should be added to eve tomorrow!

Good. No other fleet comp can contest the button until they have already cleared the field without exposing themselves in a huge way. Why should snipers be different?

How? The fleet the snipers are fighting cannot capture the objective since as soon as they activate an e-link, the snipers can instantly kill them (since they cannot recieve remote repair, anyone taking dps with an active e-link is going to die).

Its not about disadvantaging snipers, its about making them play by the same rules as brawlers. If they want to capture the grid they have to clear it, or put themselves at significant risk by disabling their means of defence (in the brawlers that is their tank, in snipers it is their speed and manoeverability)

See, RSantos, I liked having you out in Fountain because you were really quite good at the small gang, skirmish fighting we get from EH. Your whole style of fighting revolves around not committing to a fight. You are good at the skirmish tactics of drawing out overly aggressive tacklers, killing them, and using your tactical mobility to win a fight. As soon as a proper fleet composition shows up, you use your operational mobility to run away or bounce safes and log off. Elite PVP at its finest. So, given that, of course you like a way of forcing defenders to engage you on your terms. You, and nearly everyone else supporting Trollsov, like it for that reason. But since you lived in space that was never at risk at all, I'm going to take your opinions on holding sovereignty with a grain of salt.

Next time you are roaming through Deklein, find a system and drop some SBU's. Contrary to what some claim, not every system has 180m ISK killmails sitting on the gate.

Oh, no one is defending the current system from what I can tell. SBUs have something like 40m EHP, so it takes a *long time* for even a 20-man gang for either an attacker to drop a defensive SBU or an defender to drop an offensive SBU. In contrast, in Fozziesov, a small gang can make a significant impact on your sov if you don't contest it. Thats a very good things.

The main concerns I have are that:

• The T1 link as currently proposed doesn't support kiting or sniping doctrines of either medium or long range. BRAVE Eagles, CFC Harpies, and CFC/BL tengus are an example of this.
• The T2 link as currently proposed lets mobility-oriented ships balanced around short/mid-range play (e.g. t3 destroyers) impact sov well beyond a range where they have any actual effect on control of the grid

That's why suggested upping the T1 link to 50km (support kiting frigate doctrines like CFC Harpyfleet) and making the T2 link have the full set of hictor bubble penalties when active. To remind everyone, this is a mass reduction and AB/MWD velocity bonus reduction. Modern sniper doctrines (e.g. modern BRAVE/NULLI AB Eagle and CFC/BL AB Tengus) wouldn't be significantly effected by this - the mass reduction offsets much of the AB velocity bonus reduction for non-oversized ABs and this could be appropriately tuned. Likewise, t3 sniper BCs, sniper BSes, and sniper maruaders fit MJDs for mobility, and this actually helps them by increasing their agility. Short range doctrines built around mobility, on the other hand, either can only impact sov at ranges where they actually impact enemies, or are significantly penalized.

It's also, as Fozzie asked for, an effect that's already in game and that players, particularly nullsec and lowsec players, understand.

All of the current discussion from the past 5 pages is why I feel that Cruiser-class ships and below should only be able to fit the short range, long time T1 module. The long range, short time T2 should only be available to BC-class ships and above. No trollceptor issues, no T3s running about being a thorn in everybody's backsides, and it will encourage a lot of variations in fleet sizes and tactics.

Cruisers as far as I can see would be fine under the current iteration of fozziesov. The issue is only with very fast frigate and destroyer hulls that are built to evade rather than fight.

Maybe instead of multiple versions of the module, it just needs some scripts. Long range, short range, with corresponding advantages and disadvantages to cycle time, etc.

Ironically, I would imagine this might take on a specialist role where you might have the "long-range sov laser interceptor" types whose job is to apply sov laser and run around, while the actual fleet fights the enemy.