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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#481 - 2015-03-04 13:59:49 UTC
CCP never did abandon the walking avatar stuff. What could have been used with Incarna is called DUST (or whatever vaporware they are peddling these days). Valkyrie could have been the planetary flight part to get down to the planets minus the headset that requires Dramamine to use. All of it could have been tied to something useful like PI or implants.

But that is the new CCP for ya. Follow the trends, milk every penny and half-ass all of it.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#482 - 2015-03-04 14:36:31 UTC
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....

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Jade Blackwind
#483 - 2015-03-04 14:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
But that is the new CCP for ya. Follow the trends, milk every penny and half-ass all of it.
More like "Try to follow the trends and milk some cash, fail miserably, scrap everything "

As opposed to the old CCP who simply deleted your boot.ini.
Noriko Mai
#484 - 2015-03-04 14:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Vincent Athena wrote:
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....

FPS are much better everywhere in the game. And the seem to have fixed the frame stuttering.

EDIT: And there's a new FPS monitor... or let's better say it was tweaked Smile

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iforumizer Hamabu
Doomheim
#485 - 2015-03-04 20:52:03 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....


The new download-on-demand client may or may not be another hint. I guess we'll have to wait until fanfest.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#486 - 2015-03-04 21:01:44 UTC
iforumizer Hamabu wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....


The new download-on-demand client may or may not be another hint. I guess we'll have to wait until fanfest.


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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#487 - 2015-03-04 21:31:19 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....


Well, they do have a whole team working on the engine. It wouldn't shock me to discover that they're making progress.

"Valkin Mordirc" wrote:
If something could be suggested to change WiS into something better then a "Walk around and be social" idea, I would be for it. Until then.


They have a suggestion, which was approved by the top dogs at CCP: exploration of derelict stations, which aren't instanced, so you can have multiple teams exploring, and PVP between the teams. They're just not committing a team to it yet because they have a whole lot of technical debt to retire first, and some upgrades to the underlying engine that they need to implement.

That said, I am continually amazed at the hostility to social functions in a fundamentally social game. EVE could do much, much more than it currently does to allow people to interact, and I'm not at all just talking about avatars.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#488 - 2015-03-04 22:54:20 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I was just on the latest sisi build. For some reason the fps in CQ is way up. I wonder why they would improve the performance of avatars and CQ.....


It's still the same FPS for me.

-k8

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#489 - 2015-03-04 23:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
CCP never did abandon the walking avatar stuff. What could have been used with Incarna is called DUST ....
Just imagine you see Dust players smashing on the door of your quarters, so you run into your hanger bay and hop in a ship.
As they come through looking for you, you send a missile into the quarters, blow them away and pay silly little fee for replacing the room.

Think of it if they put the economy in our favour, where we send the Dust players down to planets in our systems to herd and shoot the worms so that our spice will flow better? (Say 100 ISK for a whole lot of shooting and to them that is tons of ammo and a helmet or something)

Imagine Dust players being part of SOV?
A carrier of them landing outside, them boarding our station, our own troops jump cloning over to fight them.

There are so many ways that we could have a living breathing, fully integrated Dust + EVE.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#490 - 2015-03-05 01:51:34 UTC
Honestly, I would be fine with Incarna as it is if I could pick a home station and then decorate the room with trophies or corpses or something. As it is now it is a hotel room, and doesn't even serve that function; truly it serves in its present state no purpose.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#491 - 2015-03-05 02:55:57 UTC
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
...truly it serves in its present state no purpose.
Interesting corp name. "Blood's beginning"?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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Amarrian Infinity
#492 - 2015-03-05 04:00:24 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:

That said, I am continually amazed at the hostility to social functions in a fundamentally social game. EVE could do much, much more than it currently does to allow people to interact, and I'm not at all just talking about avatars.


It's a social hostility based game.

Any gameplay or WiS that does not allow you to put on a gun and shoot the person next to you because they talked about how bad your mom playes eve, is bound to fail.

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#493 - 2015-03-05 06:55:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
OK I'll try again.

The issue isn't about what people want. I personally would be delighted to see meaingful avatar gameplay added to EVE, The possibilities of literally adding a new dimension to the game are enormous. Done right, it would pull EVE to the next level.

The issue is that CCP clearly lacks the technical chops, the the organisational talent and above all the financial resources to produce WiS done right. CCP's now significantly reduced (from 2011 levels) resources are now wholly focused on what they know for sure works at bring in money in because they're unable to do anything else. Not saying CCP is dying, but they're certainly walking a tightrope, and every erg of dev resource they can muster is fully committed for a minum of 2 years.

It's a shame, but that's the evident truth. Making puppy eyes and saying in your cutest voice oh pwwwwease won't change that. Holding your breath. Won't change that. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

There comes a point where persistent optimism in the face of obstacles becomes blind stupidity in the face of obvious facts. The WiSwhine threads have long since past that point.



Except they're not "wholly focused on what they know for sure works", they have one other game (dust) and two other games in development (Legion and Valkarie)

WiS will never happen in EVE because of CCP. CCP fooled us all into thinking they were this great innovative company with grand dreams for the ultimate space simulator, encouraged us to give them money to help them get there, and then failed to deliver.

They failed with EVE/WiS, they failed with Dust, they failed with WoD.

CCP have exactly one success, and it's EVE, and it's despite their many many mistakes and false promises.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#494 - 2015-03-05 07:50:34 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
OK I'll try again.

The issue isn't about what people want. I personally would be delighted to see meaingful avatar gameplay added to EVE, The possibilities of literally adding a new dimension to the game are enormous. Done right, it would pull EVE to the next level.

The issue is that CCP clearly lacks the technical chops, the the organisational talent and above all the financial resources to produce WiS done right. CCP's now significantly reduced (from 2011 levels) resources are now wholly focused on what they know for sure works at bring in money in because they're unable to do anything else. Not saying CCP is dying, but they're certainly walking a tightrope, and every erg of dev resource they can muster is fully committed for a minum of 2 years.

It's a shame, but that's the evident truth. Making puppy eyes and saying in your cutest voice oh pwwwwease won't change that. Holding your breath. Won't change that. Throwing a tantrum won't change that.

There comes a point where persistent optimism in the face of obstacles becomes blind stupidity in the face of obvious facts. The WiSwhine threads have long since past that point.



Except they're not "wholly focused on what they know for sure works", they have one other game (dust) and two other games in development (Legion and Valkarie)

WiS will never happen in EVE because of CCP. CCP fooled us all into thinking they were this great innovative company with grand dreams for the ultimate space simulator, encouraged us to give them money to help them get there, and then failed to deliver.

They failed with EVE/WiS, they failed with Dust, they failed with WoD.

CCP have exactly one success, and it's EVE, and it's despite their many many mistakes and false promises.


Shall we remember at this point, that the company has never been owned nor run by professional videogame developers... What?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#495 - 2015-03-05 08:06:11 UTC
"Professional Videogame Developers"

What a term.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#496 - 2015-03-05 14:01:32 UTC
Considering the list of mega funded failures out of some of the biggest game houses in the world. CCP is not doing to bad. In fact with EVE is doing bloody well.

AKA the scientist.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#497 - 2015-03-05 14:49:22 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
"Professional Videogame Developers"

What a term.


Free tip: developing videogames is a profession. What?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#498 - 2015-03-05 14:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Blanking this.

No point in arguing trivial matters.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#499 - 2015-03-05 15:11:07 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
WiS will never happen in EVE because of CCP. CCP fooled us all into thinking they were this great innovative company with grand dreams for the ultimate space simulator, encouraged us to give them money to help them get there, and then failed to deliver. They failed with EVE/WiS, they failed with Dust, they failed with WoD.CCP have exactly one success, and it's EVE, and it's despite their many many mistakes and false promises.
Sadly true, let's hope they work to bridge Dust and EVE

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#500 - 2015-03-05 15:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Flamespar wrote:
CCP fooled us all into thinking they were this great innovative company with grand dreams for the ultimate space simulator, encouraged us to give them money to help them get there, and then failed to deliver. ]


CCP didn't fool anyone. What a good scam artist knows is that people are prone to fool themselves, all the scammer has to do is facilitate their already existing condition.

Note, I'm not saying CCP scammed anyone. I'm saying CCP is a business. Its like fast food, you see a commercial with this DELICIOUS looking burger and incredible golden french fries and a damn chalice of elixir-like soda next to it all. What you get from the actual fast food restaurant is....less visually pleasing lol.

The business is trying to sell a product to you and do that by 'over-promising' at every turn while delivering something that is at least useable. ALL businesses do that.

Mature, responsible, realistic adult consumers know this and know to temper their expectations. But the gullible dreamer types take companies at their word and take marketing material at face value and always end up disappointed and bitter.

TL;DR ,it's not CCPs fault that you imagined EVE was (or was going to be) something it's not, it's your fault as a bad and unaware consumer for believing it in the 1st place.



IMO what it boils down to is the base personality of the EVe players involved. I am a realist and have a pessimistic view of life. Because of this, I take things as they come and don't expect any more than that. it's why I wake up in the morning and once I realize I'm still alive I'm happy as all hell. it's why I log in every night to a game I've played for almost 8 years and when good things happen I'm pleasantly surprised, while I shrug off anything bad that happens because, well, bad things happen.

Then you have the 'optimistic' crowd. The think human beings are 'good by nature' (and are thus surprised when someone kills them in a video game 'just because'). They expect things to go well and to improve day by day (and are constantly disappointed). They have highly unrealistic expectations about everything and will not let go of them no matter how many time CCP says they aren't working on WiS (Twisted lol Twisted). They think they are the good guys but they are really bitter, judgmental curmudgeons looking for any excuse to pin their personal short-coming on anyone or anything else.

And they will probably die before me lol.