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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#441 - 2015-02-28 04:40:19 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
When I'm playing EVE that ship ... is a TOOL, it's not 'me'. ...
.... Some of us don't like being 'immersed' in a game and losing track of time or sense of self, we aren't running from real life, when we play a game (like EVE) it's a kind of mental excercise, not an 'escape'.
That sounds like a very casual mentality for a non casual game.
What does 'casual' or hardcore have to do with what i said? (rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer is 'nothing'). Being an 'immersion' player or a 'mental challenge' player is separate from how much or how seriously you play.
... and so you make my point. Whether they have WiS mentality or not doesn't mean you need to come and trample over them.



Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#442 - 2015-02-28 05:00:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone.


Except for the people who want to believe a lie.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#443 - 2015-02-28 09:21:03 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone.

maybe if you were a particularly clumsy elephant with poor social skills trying to communicate using sign language to a crowd of a thousand inside a broom closet during an earthquake
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#444 - 2015-02-28 10:32:47 UTC
Man, would have been nice to breach into someone else's quarter and throw him/her down into the abyss:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#445 - 2015-02-28 11:18:23 UTC
Varathius wrote:
Man, would have been nice to breach into someone else's quarter and throw him/her down into the abyss:


I fell through the hangar while in Captain's Quarters.
Jade Blackwind
#446 - 2015-02-28 14:13:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Commissar Kate wrote:
Unless you can shoot people in the face, make ISK, lose ISK and possibly effect flying in space stuff, I don't really see much of a point in WiS. And even then it's still kinda iffy.

If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. Anything that slows you down for fitting ships, moving items around in your hangar, missions and market would be terrible.

I'm about ready to say the best thing to do is to just remove all traces of portraits and avatars in Eve so we never have to deal with this stuff ever again. Would be good for the new players too, they wont get the impression that there might be avatar play.
While Commissar Kate here might be trolling here, the funny part is, that is exactly the course CCP has consciously taken. Except that the character portraits won't go away - they are still a minor source of vanity microtransactions from the few hapless barbie cultists™ who have to be milked before they are driven away from the game.

There is a certain core player base that CCP aims to satisfy, and that core thinks like this:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know, I was going to make a lengthy post, posing the question as to why this pathetic, glorified tech demo has enraptured a minority of diehards who want it at all costs, including the potential death of it's parent game...


The answer is pretty easy actually. The kinds of people enraptured by that the demo aren't exclusive to EVE, they are all over the place (in games and out. Whether it's the "I want infantry" crowd in Tanks, "I want Elementals, Aerospace Fighters, Tanks and Drop ships" in every MechWarrior game since the original, or "I want avatars with light sabers in this game, I don't care ifthe name is 'X-wing vs Tie Fighter!!'", they are always the same.

They are the 'immersion' crowd and they want to 'live' their video games. They also tend to be adamant that this thing MUST happen in 'their' game so it did not (nd does not) matter that alternative exist. It doesn't matter to the infantry crowd that they can play Battlefield or CoD if they want combined arms.. It did not matter to the players of MechWarrior 3 and MechWarrior 4 that Starsiege (that at least had Tanks as well as mecha) existed, and to the WiS crowd, Star Trek Online and SWTOR might as well be rumors. No, THIS game must comply as well.

Contrast them with people like me who prefer those kinds of 'minimalist' games of just spaceships (and spreadsheets)or just tanks or just mechs or just X-wings and Tie fighters. We'll never see eye to eye because our fundamental gaming wants and needs are different. EVE as it is is enough for me.

Since it's a facet of a specific kind of unrealistically optimistic personality, it's not something that argument or reason can address. CCP could do an Incarna II that actually killed are seriously wounded the game and the WiS crowd would cling to "they didn't do it right" rather than admit "ok, it was a mistake to try to tack this kind of thing onto an old game".

Quote:

And then I realized that Chris Roberts has made a fortune scamming exactly that kind of person.

Best of luck to all of you.


Many businesses do that. Alcohol , tobacco, fast food etc etc are all directly targeted at the must susceptible, and most gullible. Beyond that, companies and real life scammers make fortunes preying on the elderly who start to lose their sense of caution as they age.

Game companies (intentionally or unintentionally) design games to cater to the most unrealistic expectations of players, this is why Chris Roberts is rolling in the doe for something that hasn't been produced yet.

This is also why an Icelandic game maker could promise a 'living breathing sci-fi universe' 12 years ago and yet only deliver on 'spaceships and spreadsheets' but still be making money off the backs of....optimistic...people who believe "WiS is right around the corner" LOL.


Period.

The line here, like in many other places (and games since Ultima Online) is not pro-Wis and anti-WiS.

It's pro-immersion and anti-immersion.

And CCP has long ago made the choice.

So please stop with the WiS threads already. Leave the undead horse alone to graze on the astral fields of Equestria. Don't you all have more important things to do, like comparing spreadsheets, padding killboards and hyperdunking for tears? By not undocking, you deprive people of content!

Good luck, CCP.

Hehe
Jenshae Chiroptera
#447 - 2015-02-28 15:04:48 UTC
Varathius wrote:
Man, would have been nice to breach into someone else's quarter and throw him/her down into the abyss:
They had a video like this, where some guy is ordering a strike on a planet with Dust players and then he gets assassinated by someone in his quarters.

It could be another betrayal mechanic. I support this. Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#448 - 2015-02-28 15:13:30 UTC

Jade Blackwind wrote:

The line here, like in many other places (and games since Ultima Online) is not pro-Wis and anti-WiS.

It's pro-immersion and anti-immersion.


I had described a bit earlier why WIS would be detrimental for my own personal immersion.

I get very deep in concentration when I'm flying around in a hostile situation, or if I'm doing a roam and someone is teaching me how to fight. Maybe it is the wrong definition, but I find myself with total tunnel vision during those times and hyperaware of what is happening around my ship. I am.. immersed.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Tyanshe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2015-02-28 15:32:53 UTC
Vote for CSM candidates that support WiS. Too bad most of the well known candidates are firmly against.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#450 - 2015-02-28 15:44:33 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Unless you can shoot people in the face, make ISK, lose ISK and possibly effect flying in space stuff, I don't really see much of a point in WiS. And even then it's still kinda iffy.

If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. Anything that slows you down for fitting ships, moving items around in your hangar, missions and market would be terrible.

I'm about ready to say the best thing to do is to just remove all traces of portraits and avatars in Eve so we never have to deal with this stuff ever again. Would be good for the new players too, they wont get the impression that there might be avatar play.
While Commissar Kate here might be trolling here, the funny part is, that is exactly the course CCP has consciously taken. Except that the character portraits won't go away - they are still a minor source of vanity microtransactions from the few hapless barbie cultists™ who have to be milked before they are driven away from the game.


Was not trolling here.

I was gonna say something else about the subject but **** it, its not worth it.

-k8

My Fanclub
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#451 - 2015-02-28 15:47:19 UTC

Tyanshe wrote:
Vote for CSM candidates that support WiS. Too bad most of the well known candidates are firmly against.


If this is your particular interest, Mike and corbexx have been active in related spaces.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#452 - 2015-02-28 15:50:58 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I was gonna say something else about the subject but **** it, its not worth it.

Pretty much this lol

**** this thread and a good 50% of the people posting here.

If you're like me and take the topic seriously you'll be here fighting off trolls and simple fuckwits all day long.

Not worth it. Especially when I'm already very happy with the way I see avatar development gently heading in EVE. Blink

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#453 - 2015-02-28 18:18:45 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
How do you have time to post, shouldn't you be enjoying that ocean front property you bought in Nebraska. I mean the guy you spoke to over the phone with the middle eastern accent who said his name is "Jeff" promised it, so it's got to be there right?


Well, you have time to respond despite frantically moving your goal posts around in your buggy whip factory, so clearly where there's a will there's a way. P

At any rate, whether it works depends more on execution than on concept, so we'll see what comes when.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#454 - 2015-02-28 18:34:52 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I have no top on.


Great. Now all I can think about is your inviting nakedness. How am I supposed to function as a forum warrior with that image pushing all rational thoughts out of my head?

Mr Epeen Cool
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#455 - 2015-02-28 19:17:03 UTC

That is not even an actual quote, gosh.

-_-'

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#456 - 2015-02-28 19:46:06 UTC
/emote awkward_fake_laugh
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#457 - 2015-02-28 20:06:34 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

That is not even an actual quote, gosh.

-_-'



I know, right?

But it's what I saw. It's crazy what you do to my libidinous little mind.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alexei Stryker
Council of Stellar Erections
#458 - 2015-03-02 13:59:09 UTC
Walking in station... Required for strip clubs in stations!

+100000000
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#459 - 2015-03-02 23:33:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


[quote]
And then I realized that Chris Roberts has made a fortune scamming exactly that kind of person.

Best of luck to all of you.


Many businesses do that. Alcohol , tobacco, fast food etc etc are all directly targeted at the must susceptible, and most gullible. Beyond that, companies and real life scammers make fortunes preying on the elderly who start to lose their sense of caution as they age.

Game companies (intentionally or unintentionally) design games to cater to the most unrealistic expectations of players, this is why Chris Roberts is rolling in the doe for something that hasn't been produced yet.

This is also why an Icelandic game maker could promise a 'living breathing sci-fi universe' 12 years ago and yet only deliver on 'spaceships and spreadsheets' but still be making money off the backs of....optimistic...people who believe "WiS is right around the corner" LOL.


Best laugh thus far. Especially the part of the most susceptible and gullible.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#460 - 2015-03-03 18:37:03 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:

Afterall, why bother with ship skins, or 3D space at all for that matter when we could just use dots on the screen and "imagine" the rest. Because at the end of the day we all want the experience to be as real or tangible as possible, and that's part of immersion for me.


Funny, I was making a similar point in another thread;

I was against buying characters as it dissolves RP, but then conversely I was also under the impression that not only was there almost none of this happenign anyway, but that the vast majority of players didnt even want it.

I was always under the impression it was a MMORPG.

Ive been informed by several people that it is not.

I hope they are not correct.


Im actually part of a RP lite corp, i do enjoy the rp side of things which is a whole new other game (soo much reading) but i dont know how the walking in stations would really benefit the roleplay side of things or even benefit the game, i keep asking what would be inside the stations apart from microtransactions (as much as the other topic said i actually dont like microtransactions whatsoever i think ruin a game if there is too much thrown in your face), walking in stations would have to be a more fast paced gameplay as people may get bored and get the wrong impression about the game



WIS, should involve possible to kill other players in the station with space guns, ofcourse in high sec with concord police guy's killing you afterwards since they walk around in the station as well, and a other player can loot the corpses afterwards ( loot wallet) and blink yellow in the station so free to get shot as well. even suicide gankers should be able to bind SB's on there head running in the station and explode themself :) ofcourse when you die not in a ship nor pod your clone dies insta means insta implants lost inc when shot by concord if it is inside the station. you even should be possible killed by a spai you invite in CQ as well and be looted and your assets get stolen then because he is in your CQ and has acces to it because you let him in gave him a free pass to enter mechanic. and when that is finnished we go to ***. i can imagine the pile of clone corps will be found in a station Lol and so on