EVE General Discussion

You know, I was going to make a lengthy post, posing the question as to why this pathetic, glorified tech demo has enraptured a minority of diehards who want it at all costs, including the potential death of it's parent game...

And then I realized that Chris Roberts has made a fortune scamming exactly that kind of person.

Best of luck to all of you.

The word facts is in inverted commas because I don't accept that is how it does, would or could work. It is an implied tone.

Additionally, facts in fiction are by definition not facts.

I'm disputing your assertion than I didn't read your post because I obviously did.

so, scare quotes



you can click on the orange words in my post at any time. after having read the articles, you can say 'thankyou, benny, for taking the time to look up the evelopedia and write a summary for me. i'm sorry for insulting your efforts and for not having thanked you sooner'

No, inverted commas. That's what those little things are actually called.

EDIT: They are also sometimes called Quotation Marks, but they are not _quotes_.



As I already believe you when you say you have made a summary, I was able to tell that's what you had written without needing to read more about it.

If your summary was unacceptable, why would the same thing written in CCP's awful prose from 12 years ago be any more interesting?

Thank you. I could not wrote better. Apparently Ma'Baker McCandless do not want to read - it wants to write. Which makes any discussion with this character senseless.

Simple truth is mortal: if you die out of pod without DUST 514 equipment - you are done. Completely.

No clone preserves your consciousness (soul, mind records or individuality - pick yourself) in any "saved" form of any "last uploaded" moment of time. I have 4 jump clones. If each of them would posess exact copy of my memories at the certain time - there could be 4 times me if all those jump clones would awake due to some accident.

The answer is pretty easy actually. The kinds of people enraptured by that the demo aren't exclusive to EVE, they are all over the place (in games and out. Whether it's the "I want infantry" crowd in Tanks, "I want Elementals, Aerospace Fighters, Tanks and Drop ships" in every MechWarrior game since the original, or "I want avatars with light sabers in this game, I don't care ifthe name is 'X-wing vs Tie Fighter!!'", they are always the same.

They are the 'immersion' crowd and they want to 'live' their video games. They also tend to be adamant that this thing MUST happen in 'their' game so it did not (nd does not) matter that alternative exist. It doesn't matter to the infantry crowd that they can play Battlefield or CoD if they want combined arms.. It did not matter to the players of MechWarrior 3 and MechWarrior 4 that Starsiege (that at least had Tanks as well as mecha) existed, and to the WiS crowd, Star Trek Online and SWTOR might as well be rumors. No, THIS game must comply as well.

Contrast them with people like me who prefer those kinds of 'minimalist' games of just spaceships (and spreadsheets)or just tanks or just mechs or just X-wings and Tie fighters. We'll never see eye to eye because our fundamental gaming wants and needs are different. EVE as it is is enough for me.

Since it's a facet of a specific kind of unrealistically optimistic personality, it's not something that argument or reason can address. CCP could do an Incarna II that actually killed are seriously wounded the game and the WiS crowd would cling to "they didn't do it right" rather than admit "ok, it was a mistake to try to tack this kind of thing onto an old game".



Many businesses do that. Alcohol , tobacco, fast food etc etc are all directly targeted at the must susceptible, and most gullible. Beyond that, companies and real life scammers make fortunes preying on the elderly who start to lose their sense of caution as they age.

Game companies (intentionally or unintentionally) design games to cater to the most unrealistic expectations of players, this is why Chris Roberts is rolling in the doe for something that hasn't been produced yet.

This is also why an Icelandic game maker could promise a 'living breathing sci-fi universe' 12 years ago and yet only deliver on 'spaceships and spreadsheets' but still be making money off the backs of....optimistic...people who believe "WiS is right around the corner" LOL.

Unless you can shoot people in the face, make ISK, lose ISK and possibly effect flying in space stuff, I don't really see much of a point in WiS. And even then it's still kinda iffy.

If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. Anything that slows you down for fitting ships, moving items around in your hangar, missions and market would be terrible.

I'm about ready to say the best thing to do is to just remove all traces of portraits and avatars in Eve so we never have to deal with this stuff ever again. Would be good for the new players too, they wont get the impression that there might be avatar play.

I have also saw that Elite: Dangerous wants some sort of WiS aspect too. I wish them the best of luck but I dont see it being as cool or usefull as the also promised landing on planets.

I think I've learned to spot a Kate troll when I see one.

In Opposite Day today are we?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

now you can say 'thankyou, benny, for taking the time to look up the evelopedia and write a summary for me. i'm sorry for insulting your efforts and for not having thanked you sooner. additional thanks for teaching me a new phrase i hadn't heard before and was too lazy to google!'

i noticed you're still trying to be critical of something you've never seen for yourself

[quote=Ma'Baker McCandless]I dont accept colloquialisms as being actual english.[quote]
ahahaha sure thing i'm totally convinced of your non-dumbarseary

'thankyou, benny, for taking the time to look up the evelopedia and write a summary for me. i'm sorry for insulting your efforts and for not having thanked you sooner. additional thanks for teaching me a new phrase i hadn't heard before and was too lazy to google!'