EVE General Discussion

It's not like the prior 18 months were starved of content because of it, you had the Dominion, Tyrannis and Incursion expansions. So nothing in those took your fancy, that doesn't mean nothing was added. But none of that mean that it was all the fault of WiS, so why is that what takes the blame?

And yet they delivered plenty of changes and fixes in that time. You act like there was a blank sport where EVE ceased while they were writing WiS. It simply isn't true.

They agreed at that point to go with vanity items only. The biggest issue was the suggestion of microtransactions for gameplay improving items, which was what the leaked info was about. Honestly, I think most people overreacted. For the EVE community, that's no surprise.

I agree, there are more important things to do than WiS, I simply don't believe in using it as a scapegoat and writing it off.

I think once Legion and Valkyrie are out of the way they'd have capacity to extend WiS and with their new development model would be better positions to run it alongside FiS development. It wouldn't be like the core of EVE, but that would probably be a good thing. Many people know that EVE is spreadsheets in space, and that puts a lot of people off. Extending EVE's immersion could attract a bunch of players who had already considered and rejected EVE.

If we can have other toons come to our CQs i hope we can bang. Even if they have to blur it like in the sims. I have spent soooo many hours watching my sims bang.

Valkyrie is cheap as hell compared to Incarna. Last I heard the Valk team was less than 2 dozen developers. Compare that to the 18 full dev teams that CCP threw at Incarna, with so little to show for it.

And Valk is a game with a working software engine that you can actually play a game with. Yes I know it aint done, but after less than a year, it's several development steps ahead of where Incarna was after 4 years - and with 5x the resources thrown at it. And snark about hardware all you want - at least it hasn't set fire to any of the Occulus dev kits yet.

The last financial update had a dip due to WOD related R&D. R&D dips are well known and temporary profit displacement phenomena for tech companies.

How are you extrapolating the slow demise of EVE from those numbers?

The hysteria over the Greed is Good memo was pretty funny as I recall. And yes, some of it was exaggerated. But the pricing issues with monocles and the $1000 jean remark suggested a very real disconnect between the playerbase and senior management. The fact that most of the community team were replaced (whether they were at fault is debatable) suggests senior management felt they dropped the ball in keeping up with community feedback. Communication appears to have improved massively since then, so at the least I'd chalk that one up as a win. Despite all of the bad press surrounding Incarna, a hell of a lot of good things have resulted from it, so I'm not sure there's any need to be all that bitter.


I'm not writing it off or treating Incarna as the root of all of the problems ingame. I don't think anyone reasonable is. Those claiming Incarna has demonised avatar based gameplay are WiSers playing the victim card to try dredge up some sympathy. All joking aside, avatar based gameplay would be an awesome addition. I'm not sure about standing around in bars semi nude with a bunch of RPers (WiSing) is an appropriate direction. I'd rather see interesting, immersive gameplay. Frankly, I can stand around in a bar with my **** out IRL but if I had to do it with EvE players ingame, I'd like a weapon.

It's entirely fair for those who support avatar based gameplay as a future development to talk about it, but for god's sake stop whining/lying/being so annoying. I would like to stop doing this everytime I have to deal with towers, sov warfare, corp/alliance management etc. You know, the really broken, annoying mechanics that we've been dealing with for years. The WiSers can bleat all they like, but a lot of them seem to be casuals who haven't really had to deal with this crap and genuinely don't get how broken it is.


There's a lot of 'ifs' there, but yes, I agree. If Valk and Legion launch and are moderately successful I'd hope there would be further avatar development. There's still a hell of a lot of core EvE features to fix, and judging by direction the next strand of development will be directed at player built stargates and uncharted space.

If anyone could be cited as responsible for demonising WiS and Incarna, it's you with these comments and the frankly poisonous attitude which you've smeared across every WiS thread I've ever stumbled across.


How about no, you silly perve. As soon as you get that I'll give it minutes before we get a demand for a pole, a disco ball and the ability to remove all of your clothes to 'role-play'. Can you not just put some porn on your CQ screen and heavy breathe at someone random in comms?

yea about 24m based on the other notices in he link. The point though is they had a strong showing in 2013, sure some of it was CE, but its still up. We will see in August when they release the year statement. Per the third notice on that link

Well... Whatever CCP has in-line for us, I look forward to it... but, whether people like it or not, EVE has to keep changing and deliver content otherwise, it'll wither away or become free-to-play.

Given that the avatars just sort of stand around and stare dead-eyed, you are talking about an experience about as immersive as this.

I suppose they can stiff-walk into each other, bumping each other repeatedly. Bumping should reset the new Trapped In Another's CQ timer, so you'd have to wait for the timer to expire to leave that person's CQ.

Fun! \o/

Edit: I haven't played a lot of MMOs besides EVE, so go easy on me here..