EVE General Discussion

Retort? Reading your colorful terms and embellishments tells me you're really not even worth a reply lol But I'll waste 5 mins of my time replying to you anyway because some people here have a modicum of respect for you.

Really, these days, the only "lalala"s or tears seem to be coming from people against a WiS-like concept. Avatar lovers? Well they're having a ton of fun with what's already here and enjoy talking about it and where it could go, it's exciting for those who're into it. That's all it is really. But that seems to irritate folks like you and you just won't stand for it, devoted to saving us from ourselves it seems.

Notice I use the term "WiS-like" and not "WiS", because I agree with you in the fact that the actual-WiS concept as we knew it before Incarna is gone. But I still believe we'll see something WiS-like at some point. So in the case of CCP are they talking about the old WiS concept? You seem to know, so you tell me. Or are they talking about every possible WiS-like concept?

So I guess essentially you're asking me, if I polish away the dirt from your posts, is why am I optimistic about it?

Well because over those 4 years that CCP have been saying they're not working on "WiS" they've still been quietly refining the avatar side of things, slowly releasing more items, engaging and taking the users seriously when we raise the topic (corbexx's TS workshop for instance). We're seeing the stigma vanish, we're regularly seeing enthusiastic or fun threads about avatars.

We're seeing more and more people enjoy it and CCP responding.

That's reason enough to be optimistic. But in addition of course in 1 or 2, maybe 5 or 10 years (who knows) time we'll see a ton of things changed or implimented here in EVE that aren't even on today's agenda or any agenda over the past 4 years or more.

I'm sorry if my optimism bugs you. But I play my EVE, not yours.

Valkyrie is a precious little problem, as It's based on some hardware which doesn't haves a release date... nor any known plans for getting one, actually.

Meanwhile competitor technologies aren't idling and the whole second wave of VR is aging before as much as being released...

That's it... the road from greenlighting production to the hardware hitting the shelves is 6 months, roughly, and even longer if you need a serious massive production.

So in best case, in order to be ready for Xmas 2015, they need to greenlight the Rift no later than May 2015.

That's a mere 2 months from now. And if there's any hype on "Rrift is coming", I've missed it.

Now, if it's not for Xmas, when do you release such a product? Summer 2016? Unlikely. Xmas is the season. And so you have Valkyrie doing preciously nothing for a year...

Let's save the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth until after the last keynote of FanFest (only a month away), shall we? :-)

I don't think they tossed it out completely. Hopefully if they do add WIS and build on what they've worked on in the past that they give it some meaning besides just socializing. Make certain things unique to WIS versus just docking up. Also what is important to me is how light it is on the video card. Currently in the CQ's my video card acts like I'm playing Modern Warfare or Battlefield4 game kicking it into overdrive with the fans.

They could, but the appeal to most players who like the idea is that it's another way to hang out in EVE.

Youll see the same kind of posts in WiS threads that you see in conversations about highsec mining.

"It isn't the real EVE."
"Everything in EVE is about shooting spaceships."
"All ideas that don't involve exploding spaceships, specifically in highsec, are bad ideas."
"You are less right when it comes to everything related to EVE because you don't focus 100% on things dying."
"You deserve to be berated and insulted because you have preferences in the game that differ from mine."

etc.

Step 5, tell yourself nonsense things (basically lies) that make you feel better for ignoring the actual realities of the situation.

Lol, OK, so I'm supposed to take the word of an employee that left the company because he disliked it during a time when heaps of people were being laid off as gospel? Sorry mate, but I've been employed too long and seen too many people who come out of that exact situation to simply believe what they are saying without some of it being exaggerated.

And no, there likely isn't an opposing article as often times current employees happy with their job are discouraged from commenting on the internals of the company. What I do know is that EVE is still here, still actively developed, not riddled with bugs and proceeding with content updated while 2 other games are in active development. That tells me that behind the scenes it's not all doom and gloom.

Disaster? Get a grip. They had a section of the business that wasn't making money, needed to bring that in so they downsized. That's not disaster. When you're in a business where you turn up for work and have to wait for the stocks to open to see if you are still employed, that's a disaster. You say I'm minimizing the actuality of it? I'm saying you're overstating it.

I didn't stte EVE is dying, I asked what people like you expect CCP to do. The game is not really attracting new players and players are being lost to natural attrition. While that doesn't mean EVE is dying, it certainly means they need to look at how to improve player retention. You don't want that though. You want CCP to not change anything because it's all to precious.

And I didn't mention any other games, so you're pulling that on out of your ass.

And why can't EVE have both types of gameplay? It wouldn't affect you in the slightest. You care so much that everyone has to play exactly how you want them to play. Well some people like WiS, and if CCP ever decide to revisit it, that's a fair decision to make.

And if a lot of customers wanted the McSquid Deluxe and McDonalds could make it as well as all of it's existing products, why wouldn't they do both? The answer is pretty simple, they do in fact serve certain types of food in areas where it is favoured. So if a good protion of EVE players start wanting WiS, why not have it?

And further, how is it different from ship skins? People went out of their minds when people originally suggested ship skins, and yet now that it's in, noone seems to care. WiS would be the same. People like yourself will complain about basically every idea, but when it's in you'll realise "oh, this actually doesn't affect me" then carry on.

What we're talking about isn't 'gameplay'. And EVE can't have both types because the company that makes EVE cannot deliver it AND if they could it would be an attempt to bring to EVE the kinds of people who wouldn't have been attracted to it otherwise.

What you want would laterally amount to this 5 Star Restaurant adding a dollar menu just to get more people off the street.

The real problem you have is some kind of weird/funky egalitarian sensibility that doesn't allow you to understand why exclusivity is a good thing for a video game (or 5 star restaurant or night club etc). The funniest thing is that you don't realize that you'd probably be amongst the people that hated a more inclusive EVE and it's more inclusive community' lol, because you'd then understand why that is bad.



And this is the part that demonstrates your emotional inability to see a truth you disagree with. I don't care about how people play. I play Star Trek Online and I don't sit around thinking "look at all these mofo waking around on feet, someone needs to put a stop to this MADNESS!!" STO has walking around the game was built with that in mind and it's find other than the slightly annoying session change/pause you get going from space game to avatar game.

EVE wasn't build for it, trying to tack it on to EVE was one the dumbest things CCP did, and if they decide to 'revisit' it means they have no institutional memory.

If you want to play a walking around game, most games do that. EVE doesn't so your 'I want to walk around in EVE" thing isn't a 'valid playstyle', it's delusional stupidity.



Listening to customer is always the exact right way to go. Always.

I sincerely hope that you are not In charge of a business that others rely on for their livelihoods, because your inability to see objective truth and willingness to cling to outdated and debunked wisdom wouldn't keep that business going for long.



Step 6, reach for a ridicules and extreme piece of BS rather than concede. The difference here my dear chap (damn, hanging around with Brits too much) that if anyone had a problem with ship skins or such, they were wrong, where as the actual history of EVE online means that "WiS skeptics' are right.




You (meaning the WiS crowd in general) can dislike the facts, and the truth (that CCP isn't doing WiS anytime soon, if at all). You can keep begging for CCP to forget it's past and gamble their real , actual pay checks so a fringe minority of video game players ca have avatar play (rather than just choosing a game that already has it, like I did with STO). But you aren't ever going to get anywhere, so it's your time wasted.