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Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2981 - 2015-01-31 01:03:09 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
more stuff


My analogy is perfect, and there has been problems with the way it works that CCP has known about for a long time.
even 1 team, or person working on it for a majority of that time could have avoided much of the "bad taste" in the mouths of us old players. (not this toon obviously)
I have worked in the computer and IT industry for almost 20 years now, I understand the finer points of many of the things you're saying, and I'm happy to see you cheer-leading for CCP on this one, but, the fact remains that this "known" issue has gone far too long as a known issue with excuse after excuse after excuse as to why it can't be fixed... or can't be fixed fast, or we have it on our road-map and here's some high sec sleeper drones while you're waiting, and we're bringing you player built stargates, and one day, you'll get to go to new systems and touch people's butts (pew pew) there, oh and BTW, those drones will now aggro and even POD kill you and we've changed the names on hundreds of modules to make them all come in line with our vision of re-balancing them and now here's a new ship, and some new restrictions, and a few other things and oh POSes?, yeah that sucks, we don't have the original coders here any more, but as we said a year ago, its on our roadmap, so don't worry, we'll get around to it sometime in the second decade if we have time in between giving you all kinds of other crap
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sad thing is?, some of us would just love to be able to assign roles without having to pull our hair out in the process...

I can't make it any clearer, but again, I appreciate the reply

I challenge you to find one person at CCP who will come to this thread and tell me that what I've said is wrong...

I'd advise you not to waste your time though, because i'm right and CCP knows it.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2982 - 2015-01-31 03:07:48 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Post

POSt

I can't wait to see some big changes to the things. They need work. I can't say what so much because I don't use em much. I don't use em, nay, I avoid them on purpose, because they are difficult and annoying. Also Starbase Defense Management skill is apparently useless. I long to use that skill, not only because I have trained it, but because I want to see what it's like to crew those guns. I've never been given that chance because I'm always more useful to the defense force in even a frigate.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2983 - 2015-01-31 03:48:10 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Post

POSt

I can't wait to see some big changes to the things. They need work. I can't say what so much because I don't use em much. I don't use em, nay, I avoid them on purpose, because they are difficult and annoying. Also Starbase Defense Management skill is apparently useless. I long to use that skill, not only because I have trained it, but because I want to see what it's like to crew those guns. I've never been given that chance because I'm always more useful to the defense force in even a frigate.




:P
you have 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 icons (depending on your skill level) that take the place of your capacitor and HUD, you activate the weapon much the same as you would doing a "hot lock" on your ship's weapon, then click on the victim... errr... target in your overview.

o/

;)

Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2984 - 2015-02-10 03:10:15 UTC
bump

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
MD74
The New Eden Yacht Club
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#2985 - 2015-02-13 11:46:15 UTC
bump
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2986 - 2015-02-15 17:46:40 UTC
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2987 - 2015-03-04 14:22:48 UTC
BBBBBBUUUUUUMMMMMPPPPP!

o/

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2988 - 2015-03-04 21:26:44 UTC
today's bump aside, I wonder if i could activate an Entosis Link module on the dev team?

just a thought.
o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#2989 - 2015-03-04 21:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Since there's some confusion about how hard it is to tackle this problem: if you're a software developer, or an aspiring software developer, please watch this presentation from about 2:30 on, for about 10 minutes.

It's a master class in how to fail at object-oriented design. The rest of the presentation is how to do it right.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2990 - 2015-03-04 23:26:15 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Since there's some confusion about how hard it is to tackle this problem: if you're a software developer, or an aspiring software developer, please watch this presentation from about 2:30 on, for about 10 minutes.

It's a master class in how to fail at object-oriented design. The rest of the presentation is how to do it right.



Nice presentation...

I believe there's a bit of a misunderstanding of the replies in this thread based on the comments of a few folks who have been here and posted their opinions about how the majority of us who are proponents of a/the POS redo seem to think in regard to that undertaking.

No one who is serious about this issue discounts the difficulty of addressing the known issues with POSes, its just that we are at year 12 (almost) of EvE now and we still have the same base issues with them that were there when they were put into play...

Sure there have been some changes in fueling methods, personal hangers, UI changes, access ranges and the like, but the base functionality issues still remain.

roles being one of the most horrible aspects of it.

The modular design versions would be great, but, that's not what the whole thread is about even though there were many great suggestions for that.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2991 - 2015-03-05 00:29:11 UTC
Celly S wrote:
today's bump aside, I wonder if i could activate an Entosis Link module on the dev team?

just a thought.
o/
Celly



If I could, I'd throw buckets of ISK at this idea ...




Oh, and bump.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#2992 - 2015-03-05 04:55:17 UTC
Celly S wrote:
The modular design versions would be great, but, that's not what the whole thread is about even though there were many great suggestions for that.


Right, but the modular systems part isn't the point. The point is that to un-suck POSes, you have to un-suck the rat AI (which POS guns use) and drones, and decouple the whole mess from the most basic physics unit in the game, all without breaking anything.

You can't just fix POSes. That's the problem.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
MD74
The New Eden Yacht Club
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#2993 - 2015-03-05 21:15:28 UTC
Sooooo.. any progress yet?
Alexi Komanov
The Kronos Ritual
#2994 - 2015-03-08 18:40:28 UTC
Hopefully we'll see something before the end of this year.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2995 - 2015-03-09 22:55:01 UTC
Alexi Komanov wrote:
Hopefully we'll see something before the end of this year.




Laughing ... and which year would that be?


Bump. Because the devs really need to find a way to get this back on the front burner.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Frying Doom
#2996 - 2015-03-11 01:49:22 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
POS haven't been forgotten.

They're on the schedule to be looked at.

(I run a large POS. I'm not forgetting about this.)

Oh Steve that has to be one of the funniest statements I have ever heard.

They like corporate roles have been on schedule to be looked at for, hell so long it really does not matter any more.

There have been so many times that it has been promised to be fixed, CCP makes politicians sound honest.

Lets be blunt, it will never happen, they will talk and talk and talk, oh and then they will promise, then explain why they have to break that promise and then talk and talk and talk some more. And just like the creation of this thread shows, when it comes to breaking the promise CCP will use the CSM as a bus road bump.



Something to remember:

I'm not PR for CCP. I have a better idea of what CCP is working on than a regular player.

Steve you are not PR...but you seem to forget how many times us regular players have been told this was going to be fixed.

And lets face it talk is cheap and frankly CCP have even managed to cheapen that phrase. Until it is actually done that is all it is cheap talk.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2997 - 2015-03-11 03:51:04 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
And lets face it talk is cheap and frankly CCP have even managed to cheapen that phrase. Until it is actually done that is all it is cheap talk.



We get a nerf to the Tengu, which finally kills the last of the missile boats ...... but no fix to something that's REALLY broke, like towers/corp roles.


Bump.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2998 - 2015-03-20 01:20:28 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Celly S wrote:
The modular design versions would be great, but, that's not what the whole thread is about even though there were many great suggestions for that.


Right, but the modular systems part isn't the point. The point is that to un-suck POSes, you have to un-suck the rat AI (which POS guns use) and drones, and decouple the whole mess from the most basic physics unit in the game, all without breaking anything.

You can't just fix POSes. That's the problem.


Sure you can.. LOL

They just have to get around to actually DOING it, and yes, there's a ton of crap that has to be traced in order to make sure that nothing gets broke in the process, that's also something else that the majority of us in this thread don't discount, but the fact that it's been broken for as long as it has been and the broken aspects of it have been known by those in power for almost the entire time doesn't change just because of the difficulty in fixing it.
o/

Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2999 - 2015-03-20 01:40:51 UTC
oh and BUMP!!!!!

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#3000 - 2015-03-21 07:41:44 UTC
So, 2 years later, finally some of the suggestions made in this thread are not only acknowledged, but told we are getting a majority of them "Soon TM"

http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/638754943?t=6h56m49s

Starting this year.

o/
Celly



Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.