CSM Campaigns

Personally I don't understand what you're bringing to the table if you were to be in the CSM except for an increased interest from the general player base towards the CSM. All of what I've read so far from you in this post is basically claiming your views are the same as those already released by CCP or other players. I want to know what will you actually be bringing to the CSM when it comes to suggestions, your own suggestions, for gameplay development?

You do realise you just answered your own question?

You are not disagreeing with Jayne here dude. He means the current corp mechanics are wrong in so many ways, for all the reasons you have quite elegantly narrated with several paragraphs of text. You took the ball and then ran with it 500 meters in the wrong direction.

Two things here.

First, the members of the CSM are not junior game designers. They don't get to sit down at a computer and program their own ideas willy nilly - they are better viewed as a focus group or advisory committee, whereas the truly optimistic might even consider them subject matter experts. This is to say that I don't get to decide on what area of gameplay is developed or iterated upon, simply that I can advise CCP on which changes are good or bad depending on the development roadmap that they have already decided upon.

This ties into my second point. CCP is indeed already working on this feature, but it is still in the very early phases of development. They don't know what they're going to do to the system, in fact they don't even know everything about the current system. All they've managed to do so far (publicly) is an agree on what to call this new proposal (Day 1 Minutes, Page 14: "Societies"). Having brought this to their attention of CCP is only half the battle: through presentations, forum threads, and personal conversation we've been able to make this need known. The difficult part is making sure these changes actually target the pain points present in the current system, and don't go the way of industrial teams - that is, great in theory, but useless in practicality.

That's where I hope to play my part. I will use my experience and my contacts in order to advise CCP on how these changes would affect both corporation management, as well as a social groups such as the NPSI and Incursion communities. This is similar to the sov redesign. CCP knows it's a problem, they know things need to be changed, and in order for that to be carried out they need players who are knowledgeable in that area of the game to help them. That's the key to making sure that CCP delivers a good product: co-operation between the players and developers, with the CSM serving as a liaison between what is desired, what is truly needed, and what can actually be delivered.

That's the role I hope to fulfil.

I don't see me running with the ball in the wrong direction. It is EVE that we are talking about, ie. the only goal is to cause other players mischief. 1-man corps are the only way to spare you from that to a certain extend. How would you want to change something that works in perfect accordance with what EVE is about: Everyone vs. Everyone? Obviously, any change revolves around a full replacement of the current corporation system with something new, something better. What are your ideas on that? Do you also keep those people in mind who give a flying scrapheap about social and simply do not want to interact with others? What about them? Brute force inclusion, or will these people also keep their way of playing the game?

Side note: Teams were not useless. It's useless players who do not invest brain into the matter. To me, teams were a fountain of good uses (even though initially I was strongly against them), both in terms of industry enrichment as well as intel tool to find juicy stuff to cause harm to. Why do you see teams as useless?

To be fair industrial teams weren't deemed "useless", just not what Eve needs right now. The idea's been shelved until other aspects of the game are updated.

Hey Jayne,

I have a question that hasn’t really been addressed but I believe could be a concern for others who are interested in being a part of the NPSI community. I spent a long time in the game doing a lot of PVE stuff and frankly it became boring, I was about ready to leave the game when I found Spectre Fleet and the other NPSI communities like Bombers Bar, RVB Ganked, Frigate Fun, Sir Squeebles, Redemption Road, etc. The NPSI community revitalized my interest in EvE Online and I love how in the community I can jump on several different fleets a day depending on my mood with any of the NPSI communities and still feel at home. It’s great how all these communities cross over and there’s no sense of hard feelings if you flew in a Bombers Bar fleet with the same guy in the morning and in the afternoon killed him when you were in a Spectre Fleet and they were with one of the other public fleets. It’s NPSI, everyone laughs about it and you’ll fly with them as friends the next day.

With NPSI really being where I learned how to PVP I developed the mindset of Ashurman where “there are no blues. there are no reds. you just kill anything you can thats not purple” at least for that short while your in an NPSI fleet. Just don’t be a jerk. From my experience many regular NPSI pilots have the same “hippie” mindset where there’s no reason to get butthurt over a little friendly NPSI PVP.

My problem started when I joined a corporation that was part of a large SOV holding alliance. At first it was great and I looked forward to even more PVP where I could either join the SOV battles and experience that aspect of the game, or if nothing was going on or I was in the mood I could hop into an NPSI fleet. I thought I could have my cake and eat it too. Unfortunately I was surprised to find there’s a lot of butthurt about this nonsensical blue thing. The worst part for me was when I’d join an NPSI fleet I’d run into a ton of “Blues” out there and you’d either waste several hours on a fleet when the NPSI FC Blops’d a blue carrier while you sat on your hands, or you’d have to make a decision to throw away your good name and awox.

Instead of having my cake and eating it by getting on all the PVP I could handle, I ended up frustrated and disappointed because 50% of the ships the NPSI fleet would see were blue SOV alliance members. A lot of my other corp members who were NPSI pilots found this a problem as well, which culminated in a number of them leaving the corp or “messing up” and shooting blue. Eventually I left the corp and alliance as well because at heart I’m an NPSI player, but I do wish there was a way to do both NPSI and fight in the larger SOV battles without drama. For the most part it was inferred to me that I had to either choose the SOV alliance and quit NPSI or choose NPSI and quit the SOV alliance.

While your club idea is interesting on some level’s it doesn’t address this sort of issue. Is there a way to have my cake and eat it too? Is there a way to be in SOV alliance but have them not get all bent out of shape because I decided to join an NPSI fleet one slow afternoon? Someone in a club would still have the problems I had.

One thought I had that you can use and consider if you get on CSMX is the idea that if someone joins an NPSI fleet all your blues see you as red or orange. That way they know at that point in time your not blue to them and vice versa. Perhaps a notification to alliance and corp mates that during the fleet you are not a friendly. You can kill them and likewise they can kill you and there will be no butthurt on either part. If there’s worries about spying, perhaps when you join an NPSI fleet your corp, alliance and any related alliance scouting channels would be unavailable to you. That way no one could say your a “spai”. Maybe it just comes down to large alliances and corps understanding and rethinking NPSI and PVP as a whole. Maybe people just need to get over internet space ships as being “super serious business”, or maybe I’m just an NPSI hippie and need to shut up. Regardless I wish there was a way I could have stayed in the alliance I was in and still be able to do NPSI PVP when I want and how I want.

At this point I jumped into my own small corporation so no one gets upset and I can do what I want as I so choose. It’s a little bit lonelier though and in some ways I would like to join an alliance that gives me the benefits of working with others. I think my example show’s an issue where NPSI’s regular members will be forced to stay in loner, NPC, or smaller corporations and alliances. It would be nice if we could find a way to address that.

So by strong platform you mean:

1. "CCP's idea of corp-lite sounds neat! I should be voted based on this even though I didn't contribute anything new to the idea!"

and

2. Complaining about wardecs ( ) but providing no alternative.

Please look at my posting history and you will see I critique several CSM candidates. I don't have a "personal issue" with Jayne and he hasn't done anything that I feel "wronged" about. His idea for the NPSI portion of his platform isn't even his idea and the "issues outside of that area" (I assume you mean wardecs) provides no actual solution.

"Wardecs are currently bad!"

Ok? I disagree, with your premise that they're just griefing tools but sure, what is your suggestion to solve this problem?


Tired of candidates that say "X IS A PROBLEM!" But offer no ideas or solutions.

Garbage. CSM is not just a stand in. They're suppose to help CCP by presenting possible solutions and ideas because they're suppose to have first hand experience on the subject. A CSM should do more than say "Hey CCP, X demographic is complaining about Y issue." They're suppose to communicate possible ideas, and suggest solutions.




Of course it struck a chord with you. Not surprising. But here's the big point: You shouldn't be able to run industry nilly willy without conflict. So yes if you want to run JUST a PvE Indy corp, you shouldn't be able to. You need to HTFU and be prepared to defend yourself. Plenty of highsec corps do exist and simply being ignorant of that fact doesn't necessarily mean we need to turn highsec into WoW styled Candy Land.