Out of Pod Experience

I tried playing unreal tournament 3 on the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse, it was awefull. It was laggy to the point of being unplayable. I know the unreal engine on the PS3 is capable of supporting keybaord and mouse, but i haven't seen it used where it would be even slightly desirable.

I plan to use the playstation move, if they can get to work as well as Killzone 3, then i'll be very happy.

ut3 was a laggy pos on anything tbh, says something when epic cant make their own engine work for them doesn't it. developers still buy that rubbish to make games on, beggars beleif. that pile has held back quality gaming for the last decade and yes i'm livid that dust is using it.

CCP have already said the game will cost roughly $20 as a cover fee and you'll get that back in in game currency.

Everything in the game will be accessible through the secondary player market (there will be a primary store). There will also be manufacturing (one dev blog mentioned blueprints). Eve players will have an edge of having access to huge isk accounts however it is unclear if Dust and Eve players will have a direct isk transfer route, as always there will be ways :) /sandbox

The game will function exactly like eve in terms of isk sinks (clones, destroyed equipment). Except the attrition rate will be much higher promoting those without the support who want to play at a highly competitive level to either get an eve account eve, or use their wallets. CCP have stated these design goals clearly.

If you think eve is not pay-to-win you are wrong. I've routinely encountered (typically US service people) who sink real dollars into buying ships for PvP, and do nothing else. N-o-t-h-i-n-g. In fact those people tend to look down on everyone else who does not behave in the same manner in relation to plex buying for pvp.

Every argument you have is based on your imagination, not fact.

Its also it is a fact CCP will be looking for the "casual console player dollar", so it is likely most people will get by sinking a subscription level of dollars a month. Things will not be expensive. I think it is more likely that those that are willing to sink real money into the game will have better material attrition endurance (large stockpiles of stuff and clones).

Define flop please, when eve started it would have been considered a flop by any other companies standard, and now it is one of the great MMO's, if Dust pulls in as many as eve did it's first year I bet it will be considered a great start.

Eve from the MMO Industries standpoint isn't "great" Not even peeking at 500k subs after 8 years is generally considered poor. Most mainstream MMOs will reach that amount on launch then taper off. Eve's "success" derives from the fact that it is in a very niche market, one that has very little to no competition. Where as a game like Dust is in one of the most aggressive and flooded markets(FPS) in the gaming industry. Add that to the fact that it is being released as a single console exclusive, on a console that has been plagued with security breaches multiple times now. Lastly due to the long production time it has taken to release Dust(now rumored to be late 2012 early 2013) the use of the Unreal 2 engine will be considered out of date when it tries to compete.

Brooks please provide links to your sources for delayed launch and the use of the unreal 2 engine.

In addition I would say that Eve is a great sucsess as it has funded not only itself by the creation of 2 other games.

How exactly is it outdated?

Sinnek, where are you getting your information my friend. To be honest I don't know where to start with you. How is it out of date, what is wrong with it (other than not being on PC, as this is a non argument)

The visuals that have been put out are equal to the current gen, if not somewhat better.

The game play changes the playing field, and even the playing field changes the playing field.

I think Dust 514 is going to be pretty sweet.

I think it's funny that so many people who don't play first-person shooters at all have such strong feelings about it.

No, just asking for clarification. Firstly it is not clear if he is saying the the PS3 itself is outdated or if he is saying the game will be outdated.

If he is referring to the console, then no, it's not outdated, it's still the current generation of console hardware. If your saying it's outdated compared to the PC, well it always has been. But consoles don't compete against PC's, they are very different price brackets and audiences.

If he is referring to game game being outdated because of using the unreal 3 engine, well, here are some games that have just been released that use the unreal 3 engine and look just fine.

Batman: Arkham City
Wears of War 3
Mortal Kombat

Or how about coming out next year using unreal engine 3

Mass Effect 3
Transformers: fall of Cybertron