Jita Park Speakers Corner

The problem here is that you want to start out at the top. That's not how EVE works. Your SP isn't the only thing that matters. It's mostly how YOU fly the ship, not how your character does.
You NEED that skill training time to learn how to effectively play the game at each level.
Flying a HAC is not the same as flying a T1 Cruiser. Flying a Frigate of any kind is completely different from nearly everything else.

If you ask me, I think everyone should be at "all skills to Lvl5" on SiSi, just to show players who think like you exactly how wrong you truly are when you speculate things like this.

This is one of the many reasons CCP won't let guys who take a year out of the game "buy back" their "lost" skill points. You need to progress, naturally, or you will end up hating the game and quitting. Removing all skills would require a pretty massive overhaul of the game, and lots of stuff would be broken. Not to mention the ability to immediately jump into a carrier the day you start playing would make the game incredibly boring.

they should start you out with purpz and leganderiez 2!

Yeah I Don't think giving everyone 20 mil SP making the game better for anyone.

I think that all Standard Core skills should be injected from the start. i.e. mechanic, shield operation, etc

now i think new players should start with some unallicated skill points. like maybe 3 to 4 mil. I believe that is enough for someone to get into a ship of there choice and possibly of fitting.

however with someone that knows what there doing they can take them skill points make a cyno alt or gang squad with trial a players and go camp a gate or do something and cause massive problems.

-Olga

The three skills I would endorse changing start with CPU Management and PG Management, as ships are just crippled without them. They'd still be high priorities to train at 1% (with the base CPU and PG of ships changed to preserve their current stats at level 5).

The final skill is AWU, which I would gate behind WU 4 instead of WU 5.

These changes would help gankers a little, but less than people seem to think, as most ganking is not done by low skilled characters any more. The changes would also indirectly harm us, as lowskilled haulers and miners would be more able to fit a tank to their ships.

I'd be for the change for what it would do to new players and (as with any change to the game) I'd also seek to exploit it a little, but that would be a minor factor.


I don't endorse wholesale removal of the core skills, just adjustment of the absolutely mandatory ones.

What about a better range of civilian modules? Things that will only go onto a rookie ship but are faster than skilling to an extent within the first week. Also easier access to these for that time?

I can support a better range of civilian items, gives newbies a cheap even for them way to try things out if they arent sure what they want to do.

Yeah, what happened with module tiericide? Haven't heard anything since that first dev blog.

and also amongst the easiest to get. Most new players just suffer from the same mind set that most kids have recently, get the biggest thing possible for the least amount of work.

Eve is enjoyable because if you put the effort in you get the rewards.

Wouldn't we need new skills for dreads.
and marauders.
and hacs
and t3s
and recon
and covops
and eaf
and probably some other ships because they have fitting skill requirement prereqs?

I've said it in a lot of places now, and I'll say it again here. I disagree with skill prerequisites for T2 ships being so extensive. Their selection is hasty and don't represent a strong foundation for their ships. Seriously, the person who picked out the skills to comprise prerequisites... do they even play?

The message to new players is very clear: if you want this ship, you must pay us for some months of subscription. It's one of the most blatant examples of money-for-stuff in EVE.

Along the left side of that table you'll see a number, which is the total training time multiplier for the level V skills required as prerequisites. There's a pretty clear correlation between time and ship size. "specialization is specialization hurr durr more time," is about the depth of thought behind the list.

Couple things I think should be changed:

skill level I prerequisites to allow T2 ships to undock within 2 weeks at most (for the Marauder, for example). This way, rookies who choose the hasty route to a shiny T2 ship get what they want, and also get what they trained for: a weak ship.

OR

devs spend more time creating a thoughtful list of prerequisites that represent a solid foundation of skills for the same amount of training as the dumb / current list.

OP's gripe about core skills being responsible for some type of rift between themselves and veterans is bollocks, as it's one of the core mechanics of EVE. However, the structure of skills laid out in ship prerequisites is bollocks, too.