Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. There are other good reasons, such as "without this rule, would the players abuse this to the detriment of the game?". Caps were definitely one thing which players not just could, but actively would use and abuse to the point where the game broke. Take a fleet full of archons which can, unless pinned down by an endless stream of dictors, move from one end of the universe to the other, plomp its fat ass down and just sit there and tank almost everything (I'm not going to bother doing the theoretical max on how many subcaps would be needed to break the archon ball in its latest iterations), unless you brought other caps/supers to deal with them, in which case the rest of the game's caps and supers would descend on that until we had the entire universe in a single system.

The fatigue system deals with this very problem, while letting the players use caps within their own space for defense, and a neighbour or an attacker which moved its base of operations close by to attack. If this had been how the whole caps feature had been designed in the first place, you would not be bitching about it, because you wouldn't feel entitled to the way caps operated pre-phoebe.


The problem with your idea is that while it does address the problem of time taken to travel, it generates a whole slew of other problems, such as the complete lack of visibility of a travelling fleet going from one side of the universe to the other, the complete inability to interdict this fleet until it arrives in its destination system, the complete lack of strategy beyond "well it'll take a little while longer to get there", as opposed to "well, most systems are out of our reach, and the system which is within our reach is covered by the defenders to the point where we'd get slaughtered if we try to go through there. Let's go around and enter their space from this other, undefended, system instead.", and of course just the fact that instead of jumping to a system and being vulnerable (or docked up, I suppose), you're left sitting there for a long time while unable to do ANYTHING ... but wait.


No. Wrong. Something can be game-breaking without lending ONE side complete destruction of the other side at the push of a single button, and if you really can't see that (instead of just inventing this definition to suit your current argument, which I believe is what you're doing), then you're woefully out of touch, and thank god you're not a game designer.

The sov system's game-breaking, because it forces the attackers to amass as many people as they can to attack every single timer, or lose progress, while the defenders have to amass as many people as they can to defend at least once, leading to sub-10% tidi. That's game-breaking. Carriers amassed in a single large ball is gamebreaking because it requires a large amount of subcaps or dreads/supers to deal with it, which is in return escalated by more dreads/supers, turning into 4k B-R shitfests. That's gamebreaking.


The problem with your line of thinking is that you're thinking of a pure sandbox, and not a game. The restrictions are what make the game actually playable, and they're hardly "arbitrary", they're all mostly there for a reason. Otherwise you could argue why should we need gates, we can just newtonianly fly over in any ship. Why aren't caps able to jump to any system at will? Why is concord unkillable? Why didnt' subcaps use fuel to travel? Why need a titan to send subcaps to another system, why not just let them do it? Why have "arbitrary rules"?

Because it's what makes the game actually work, that's why. And while fatigue sucks for you, it's still far better than your idea ever was, by miles.

You should be able to move your clone to your new corp's HQ once a year, specifically to circumvent this.

Alternatively, and this isn't quite as newbie-friendly, you can run the gauntlet in an interceptor. Or, you could just do what I've always done when needing to get to nullsec from hisec, look up the number of kills the last hour vs 24 hours, look at how many are in that system undocked and active the last 30 minutes, move to the system which looks best, set the clone to a station next to the first low/nullsec system and run the gauntlet in a noobship. Worst case, you'll risk your clone. As a total newbie, that should mean 0 isk, as they should be below alpha clone, and thus should never need to update.

Or they can wait for the next patch, where you don't have to deal with the clone business at all, allegedly.

I believe the caveat applies to players under 30 days old, you can move your clone to corp HQ more than normal.

It's not CCP's fault one group of players decided to hedge their bets on what everyone with half a brain could see would be deemed unbalanced the instant it began prolifering. I called it fairly quickly, but Grath kept muttering about how it was "the counter to blobs", and "we're fewer, so we have to use this tactic to win, and it's our right since we have more SP than you".

What he forgot to mention was that this strategy hinged on everyone else not adopting the same tactic, at which point it would turn into who had over critical mass carriers, then over critical mass dreads and supers, and when tidi hit sub-10%, who had the most titans with DDs which always cycled every 10 minutes in real time. And when one such engagement happens, and one side has had bigger losses than the other side, what do you think'll happen the next time there's an engagement? Yep, they'll lose even harder. And before you know it, one side doesn't have a snowball's hope in hell of winning an engagement, and nullsec stagnates with a single entity controlling the entire space.

That's one of two outcomes which would've happened down the road if CCP hadn't begun making changes. It's either that one, or both sides would just keep going "fight over sov? hell naw, **** that ****" and continue to let nullsec/the game stagnate as it slowly dies.

So yes, caps travelling instantaneously across the entire eve universe were game-breaking, and changes needed to be made. If you still don't want to realize that, then that's your problem, not mine. I'm not the one who hedged all my bets on one horse, and is leaving the game in a huff. I'll probably be using my caps more from now on, not less.

Oh, and speaking of "arbitrary limits", why can't guns hit every ship perfectly, no matter how far away they are or how high their transversal is? Why can't I move around in a system instantly? Why do I have to have 75% speed to warp? Why doesn't a megathron automatically win over an iteron 5 in a 1v1?

Oh, right, these "arbitrary limits" are put upon the sandbox because it's a game, specifically a game of strategy and tactics, where luck, player skill, character skill AND ship setup all combine to determine what the outcome is, instead of just being "lol I'm bigger than you, I automatically win".

Ahem. As one that "mutters" I have a question.

Has anyone proposed having characters designate a "home region" where jump fatigue isn't generated? This could have at least a multiple month reset timer so changing couldn't be exploited.

"Home Base" thing should work just for jumpbridges. Let's not pretend we don't see that. Alliance space. Period. Very easy fix.

Not bad, but this still goes back to the fact that the nerf idea was crap to begin with if we have to start looking for ways to make it less crappy. We should stop trying to mitigate CCP's bad behavior and just unite in an all out assault to try and get it repealed so that they can fix the stuff that is truly broken. SOV

gonna be hard to fix sov if capitals werent changed.

Whatever the change, the rich and the powerful will be at an advantage.

Always.

Never not shoot the monument.