Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i doubt they will but if it would of bounced off your target then you missed anyway because if it doesn't bounce it will go through and miss

We've faced off a number of times with null groups who have dropped a 70+ man BC fleet on our triage + 10-15 t3s (with mixed results) those extra 7 pilots in dps is not really here or there, in neuting ships a bigger issue but something that can be dealt with tactically and the outcome might not always be in our favour but its usually a pretty good fight either way - bombers popping up out of nowhere relatively speaking and cap shocking triage is just meh.

Unfortunately most of the time we've not lost ships to the main bulk of hostiles so BRs don't really tell the story this one is closer to a complete picture: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20762916

EDIT: That isn't to say we can't deal with a change like that - but in general it looks like a cheap and nasty way to headshot capitals :S

Thanks for confirming the cloaking change. Like the larger bay for bomb carrying.

Thank you.

The decloaking mechanic was there before, and there was plenty of successful bombing going on.

This is probably one of the first times in recent memory where I just could not see why a change was made to the game. I'm sitting here in complete disappointment at just how bad the majority of these ideas are. I can't say I completely blame you because covops and bombing are an extremely niche play style that many players do not participate in and less even excel at it. While the majority of ships all balance around the idea of dps, mobility and tank, cov ops factors in the mental game more so than any other ship.

There are some staggering bad misconceptions expressed within the thread which I have read through most of but I want to underline and debunk a few because I believe CCP is putting these changes in out of a misunderstanding mostly backed by said misconceptions. Bombers as they are now are perhaps one of the most balanced ships in the game. The only thing I would have done is to add a touch more fitting and mobility to the Nemesis. Bombers are devastating but their paper thin tank allows them to be easily counterable which I will detail.

Furthermore bombers are not only almost completely balanced, but also act as a balancing factor in Eve. They are one of the few ships that curb the N+1 problem. Bring 10,000 ships against me? As long as they are within the radius of the bomb blast, they all die the same. Bombers/cov ops are one of the few ways the "little guy" can stand up to the big powers.

Now some of the bad reasons FOR the changes:

ISBoxing: Although CCP won't say this directly, it seems to be an almost universal opinion here that curbing ISboxing bombers is one of the main reasons for some of these changes. As explained, even by posterchild ISboxer bomber wheniminspace, as well as others, this penalizes individual bomber pilots much more than it does ISboxers. Want to deal with ISboxer? Ban it directly.

No more Shield Battleships: This was spoken by a few people some of which should clearly know better. The main reason for armor bs doctrine dominance is due to the popularity of Archon/Armor triage carriers. NOT because of bombers. Shield BS doctrines were popular long after the cloak changes were made in 2012. Certain groups preferred armor, others shield. PL took over Delve as part of the HBC using Rail Rohks.

No counters?: A few people say there are no counters to bombing runs. Anyone remember insta lock arty canes? I know TEST was running with a good twenty or so in every major fleet. These pilots would have an overview tab that would show bombers and only bombers. The moment something appeared on their overview it was locked and popped. Bombs don't do damage if your bomber dies before it detonates. You can also use frigates such as the combat ceptors or pirate frigs to catch bombers. Not every bombing run is a success. Bubbles already are a strong counter to them as well as a defensive bubble will pull in the bombers and either put them out of place or decloak them.


Bombers are suppose to be nimble evasive frigates designed to provide a counter to the N+1 problem. Making them slower, making them uncloak one another (which was said to be a glitch) and messing with their bomb damage is completely pointless and limits player interaction. Now bombers will only be on grid for the moment it takes them to drop their bomb rather than 150+ away on grid setting up for a run. I urge CCP to reconsider these changes, even scrap the majority of it all together.

Not sure who uses medium smartbombs tbh, they're anemic at best. Large t1 = 5km radius and 250 damage, while medium are 4km radius and only 100 damage. Perhaps increasing medium SB damage to at least half of large (125+) would make them more attractive.

Why the major warp speed nerf? It makes bombers slower than even t1 frigates. It's a t2 frigate though so surely that cannot be right? I think a decrease is fair as they are "bombers" which are usually slow. However, a decrease to 5 au per sec would be best as that brings them in line with t1 frigs.

The rest seems pretty cool. Not overly fond of the align time increase but can understand why. Although as bombers may well be pulled in to close range weapons range with the new 10km bubbles it seems a bit unfair to slow their align down and make them faster to target by increasing their sig radii. Now amount of buff to HP will stop a bomber from going SPLLLLLLAAAAT if caught at close range to a fleet.

TiBBeH

Fozzie strikes again with ******** nerfs. cloak ships decloaking each other is a joke. you just killed black ops fleets and found one more way for you to screw wormholes.

Just think of the awkward panic bombs when two enemy bomber fleets decloak each other.

The just sit there staring at each other. Naked.

Trying to align and scramble naked teenagers caught in the bushes, simultaneously trying to run away and put on their clothes.

That being said, I like the new void bomb. You know there is going to be a painter or a expert bomber who will just wreck cap cruisers. Similar how void bombs work on Shield fleets. Should be fun.

Sense. That post makes all of it... ^^^

But they won't listen and will implement all these changes anyway...