Player Features and Ideas Discussion

During a fanfest years ago one of the devs said "We do not believe it is our responsibility to enforce trust" or something along those lines. I don't think a good idea like being able to see your cloaked fleetmates should be tossed out because of :spy:

Two things that I think are bad and I'd like changed:
1) Cloaked fleetmates decloaking each other. If you're not in fleet, then it should still happen.
2) Lack of a real solution to the ISMB issue. I'm only assuming CCP wants to nerf ISMB bombing runs, but if I'm right, they're going about it the wrong way. Add elements of randomness to the bombing so ISMBs can't perform where humans could.

Successful bombing runs were making the news for welping entire BS/Cruiser fleets prior to 2012.

Sorry if you werent good enough with your crew to be able to do that.

It was viable yes, but also tedious and frustrating. Generally speaking I've liked the progress CCP has made in removing those kinds of elements from EVE's gameplay over the past few years.

Undoing the cloaking fix is a step backward.

There's nothing wrong with the principal of making bomb runs and black ops more difficult unless you have good coordination. My issue is you're taking away the quality of life change without providing any coordination/cooperation tools to offset it. A good start would be allowing ships in the same squad/fleet/whatever to see their cloaked bros so you can actually make intelligent piloting choices and have useful references for communication.

If having cloaked ships decloak one another is a design goal you're committing to, I strongly suggest you take the same approach as the nullsec team has to 0.0 logistics. Dont nerf it out of the water until there's tools players can use to relieve some of the frustration.

Mike, the changes are good overall, but the best idea here was the one about making sig radius less of a factor for bombs so that there is not a disparity in their effect on shield ships vs. armor ships. Bombers drive armor doctrines. While a nerf to bombers in any form will help shield ships, specifically addressing the issue of bombers being so effective against shield ships is something that needs to be addressed.

Otherwise, I like the changes as they are from the decloaking to the reduced maneuverability along with the buffs to other areas.

http://archive.evenews24.com/page/4/?s=bomb&submit

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Alright, I gotta play the Devil's Advocate here -- a lot of people are saying that the decloaking changes are meaningless because ISBoxed bombers can set differing warp-to distances. There may be some merit to other arguments regarding ISBoxer bomber fleets, but this isn't one of them -- a bombing wing with a player behind every hull can do this too, with a little bit of coordination in the fleet channel.

e.g.:
FC > pick warp to targets please
joe > 30,000
steve > 15,000
perry > 40k
aloysius > 40k
perry > f*** off aloysius i picked 40k first
aloysius > no you go straight to hell
zach > pap link pls

This tactic is available to both ISBoxered bombers and groups of discrete individuals. It's only a little easier for ISBoxered bombers since you don't have to deal with that jerk Aloysius.

maybe lower their exp radi and damage??not to sure how the formula works so this may not be a good idea

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when the OP of the balance thread contains blatant misinformation as justification you know the actual knowledge in the area is going to be sparse. please consider who is saying what before you take their opinions on board.

imo a nerf to bombing was needed, but isboxed bombing is the real problem. since ccp will not consider balancing in such a way to make isbombing harder in relation to normal bombing, balance dictates that the only viable form of bombing is going to be isboxed post patch. as csm i feel like its your duty to help ccp realise that this is unacceptable seen as balancing towards increased revenue by a lot of players which is imo disgusting.

Haha that it the worst excuse you could have made :)

If you would have said "eve code doesn't allow for such" then that is something we can understand but the off chance of a spy guiding someone within 2km of a cloaked fleet mate is a pretty ridiculous suggestion.

You should find out if it is possible to have cloaked fleet mate show up and if it is, push for it. If it isn't, this change shouldn't happen and instead, ISboxer should be banned.