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Gate jumping caps is a gimmick. It's only purpose is to create ALOD articles on the mittani.

I guarandamntee you that people with balls will do it in a heartbeat if it gives them an advantage. The fact that there are so many risk averse numpties laughing at how it'll never happen will just make the surprise buttsex all the sweeter.

You're right, it wouldn't even take 6 weeks.

Reposted because there hasn't been a dev response. I didn't see a similar suggestion before CCP Greyscale went offline, and none of his responses responded to this particular idea.

Jump fatigue should be a single value that generates at the same rate regardless of ship type.
Jump cooldown should be calculated based on jump fatigue at a variable rate depending on ship type, or skills, or implants, or boosters or whatever other variables you want to throw in.

This approach would offer a solution to the BLOPS and JF problem by allowing BLOPS pilots to jump more often, even while generating levels of fatigue that would prevent jumping for a long (even very long) period of time were the pilot to move over to a cap.

Separating fatigue and cooldown in this way, making the one a global stat for the pilot, and the other a calculated value applied in the ship at the moment of the jump based on lots of mutable variables offers many gameplay options for the player and tuning controls for the devs.

If you see downsides, post them.

Stagnation is bad, your leader said it, now that you got a brilliant idea to shake up the water you prefer the stagnation?

I'm sure that this has already been posted but I want the Devs to get the point:

About 75% of our corp use caps and spent isk and years training to fly them. We all see this as a nerf of cap pilots and almost all of us have decided to unsub.

We see this as the final straw that will cause us to go find another game.
And no you can't have our stuff. We will just park it all in low sec and come back in a few months and see if CCP comes to their senses.

So, here's a better idea, but it will require a lot of coding, a lot of testing and it will probably be a while before it can be deployed on TQ, so you probably won't be interested in it.... But here it is anyway:

MAKE IT SO THAT ITS POSSIBLE FOR BOBBY TABLES DO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS DARN FORCE PROJECTION OF A CAP FLEET IN HIS NECK OF THE WOODS!

How? Well for one, you could make it so that instead of waiting a long time between jumps, the fleet would have to wait a little bit during the jump. Let's say a jump takes about 30 seconds per light year. During that time, Bobby Tables can call some friends over to help him destroy the Cyno ship and interrupt the fleets jump.

Obviously:

- If a Cyno ship attempts to Cloak once the fleet has initiated their jump, it breaks the Cyno.

- Cyno ships with a Cyno up cannot move.

- Smaller Cyno ships jump others faster while larger one's jump them slower (balancing feature)

- If Bobby Tables and his friends succeed in destroying the Cyno ship, the jump is successfully interrupted.

MAKE IT EVEN MORE INTERESTING:

- If a Cyno ship is destroyed and it successfully interrupts a jump, those ships that are in the jump get "dropped" somewhere at random in a system between the point or origin and destination. (doesn't that make sense?)

- The stranded ships have only half their capacitors available and 1 random high mod, mid and 1 random low are offline and unusable. (Should make them want to dock as a priority, further slowing down their efforts to re-group)

- Don't allow Capitals to use gates. Now they have to go fetch each one, one by one. Mwahahaha!

Some foreseeable effects (how it will change the game):

- Much more interesting then having to deal with timers, math and logistics (more flying, less thinking/calculating/planning)

- Hotdrops? Still possible, but before you hotdrop a fleet of Caps halfway accross the galaxy, think about the risk you're taking with all these Cap Pilots possibly getting stranded.

- FCs will now want to have several Cyno capable ships in fleet rather than just 1, even if only to use the others as decoys.

- Strategy, more strategy!

- Some Pirates/Ops/Fleets probably specializing in Cyno Seek & Destroy missions!

- At home, jumping around is inherently safer than abroad (Shouldn't it be?)

Can we please think about doing something like this instead of adding more timers?

Legends

1. We need to move massive amounts of material from highsec to 0.0 simply because our fields out in 0.0 don't produce enough Mex for any large scale production. The industry changes did make producing out in 0.0 viable, but without another mineral reballance out in 0.0, mining and producing locally simply isn't viable, also producing T2 out in 0.0 now means you can only produce what your local moons can give you. That is going to suck when you have an armor doctrine and can only produce T2 shield stuff, or the wrong race of T2 ships. If you are having to import raw material just to produce stuff out on the fringes, it would be smarter to simply shut down production and just import the finnished goods from highsec anyway. So yea, we 'hate' highsec, but it still is the only place to shop for everything you need out in the 'frontier'.

The fantasy of mining and producing locally, falls flat on its face when confronted by the reality that you would need to mine out an anomally (the only 'unlimited' source of minerals) anywhere between 20-30 times in order to get the amount of mex to build only 100 battleships. That isn't even half of a Baltec fleet welp. It takes a little over 21 man hours to mine out a small ore site with max Roqual boosts, and you would need to do it 30 times to get the Mex for those 100 battleships. Thats 630 man hours, just to get enough Mex for not even half a fleet that can be lost in less than an hour. Meanwhile what are you going to do with the Megacite to build 3k battleships that you got from cycling an anomally to get enough Mex to poduce only 100. Who is going to buy your surplus Mega if everybody else locally has plenty of highend but no Mex like you. You would ship it to highsec, but now how are you going to get it there to sell that isn't a PITA?

CCP is so set on making things balanced. Balance vs fun is where they are missing big time.

Did anyone give any thoughts to the demographics of players before imposing these changes? Eve is a game, it can be a job, and it can consume al lot of time doing things such as logistics.

I would be cursious to know your averag real life player demographic by age, then by income, then profession.

You are missing the target on your players that don't have 16 hours a day to site and play a game. When I get home from work, I have other priorities. If I get maybe 3-4 hours of game play every other day, and I have to do logistics I am less inclined to continue playing. If I can log in, do a little bit of fun, whether building, ratting, or pvping; that is what is fun.

I will continue to play until logistics are such a pain, that I can't get the modules I have spent a long time training for to be efficient. I will most likely move back to high sec and look for the occasional lowsec pvp, or wormhole to null. I will eventually ge bored and unsub.

You raeally need to look at demographic vs time vs fun. Jump fatigue is not the way to go, killing logistics is not the right way to go. The best idea I have seen is capacitor regen rates reduced with each jump. That will affect all ships, after a few jumps, the logis won't be able to generate enough cap for themselves, let alone the fleet they are trying to support .

Adding more time for movement of items means less playing time.

Here till I get bored.

HTFU, Adapt or DIE, Bio Mass or it didn't happen, WOW is That------->Way and last but not least Can I have your stuff. Honestly if all the caps un subbed in this game eve would be a better place don't you get it. It is going to take 2-3 year to un tuck this game. The isk pooling and the pooling of players in this game has happen over the last 4 years. All of those pools will slowly be drained. The one that will take the longest will be the breaking up of major alliances that have collected some of the best players in the game from organizing their own groups to be part of the easy mode. I can only hope that the hate still burns and the fire in old school grudges still lurks and over time the need to break out and go at it again comes to the top once again.

It is going to take 2-3 years to train new eve players and build groups to make a go of it. They will play eve in hard mode and be better for it. The game will change over night in programming only, it will be years before you see old school eve back up and running. Stay the course CCP and burn it all down