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No way, BLOPS are useless, buff them! And make fatigue way less for Bombers/Recons since they will be useless if applied currently discussed fatigue system.

Everyone is up in arms about these changes, but the largest problem is that we, as players, do not see the entire picture yet. CCP has yet to release their full plan on what they plan or wish to do with future releases. Without this information, it is difficult to gauge how these changes will affect the current sov null environment.

With that stated, I would like to put forward some of my concerns that have also been put forward by others.

Jump freighter range nerf is seriously heavy handed and having to take some of my current JF routes that are 4 -5 jumps to almost 12 jumps that go around entire regions is going to be a hassle. By adding jump freighters to the list of capital ships that are being nerfed, is CCP worried about the large moon empires that the current sov coalitions hold? Was the intended effect to reduce the number of moons that individual coalitions own reduced so that other players can come in and take them? Was the intended change also put forward to try and make a more self sufficient null sec?

If the intended effect is to reduce moons, the capital force jump nerf already reduces the ability of coalitions to defend or retake moons under siege if they are not already within their bubble of influence so I don't think that is too big of an issue. Readdressing the Jump freighter logistics chain, simply removing their bonus to fatigue and keeping their current jump range would be far superior than the current heavy handed nerf to jump freighters. The current issue with sov null and the reduction of jump range is that it requires more systems to be either blue or directly controlled to be able to have safe logistic highways back and forth from deep null. If its the intended goal of forcing deep null residents to not rely on jump freighters, then mission accomplished. People living in deep null will have to adapt.

Second concern was the direction that CCP wishes to go with these changes in null. Are your end goals for null to create a dynamic and self reliant market in nullsec space? A Jita in every region? There are a couple problems with this. The way that Sov null works is that the stations are limited to Blues. This means that a fraction of the player base can access it. Take into considerations the new jump changes look to usher in more smaller groups to take their own piece of sov, and you have entire regions divided even further into sections that cannot access a market hub. Well this can be changed via changing the standing of your entire region to blue so everyone can access your market hub, but then we're back to where we started.

Another reason for self sufficient markets in null being a pipe dream and the reason that the current null residents rely so much on import is due to the material requirements for manufacturing that are limited by region. Even with the moon rebalancing, moon goo for t2 is difficult to obtain with current moon goo spread. Datacores outside of your region is impossible and must be imported. Mineral values of nullsec sites and belts are extremely skewed to favor higher value minerals and not enough of the hisec minerals are refined from nullsec ores. Combination of these issues are what keep nullsec from being a full fledged independent market apart from Jita. Now note that I mentioned earlier that the entirety of what CCP has planned is not visible so I cannot see what CCP has planned for nullsec to address these issues, but some sort of insight on whether these issues will be tackled or are already in discussion would be extremely helpful in quelling some of the concerns of the playerbase.

In mentioning manufacturing in null, the mineral composition needs to be looked at again. With Crius, CCP added additional sources of Mexallon and Pyerite to the mineral composition of nullsec. This however is still heavily skewed towards high end minerals and importing of hisec minerals is still heavily reliant for production or export of high end minerals to get rid of excess minerals that cannot be used due to the flow of nullsec ores. This also brings forward the concern of differences between hisec and nullsec mining. The only added benefit of nullsec mining is that the belts are always respawning. However, to do this you need to sometimes go through a huge spud rock that values extremely low compared to even some hisec ores. This means that the benefit of continuous mining is dwarfed by the dangers of mining in nullsec and hourly mining is actually better in hisec. A second pass at nullsec ores might be beneficial to make nullsec mining more attractive than hisec currently is. I am not asking for a nerf to hisec mining, but rather a buff to nullsec mining. Mining is currently a rather tedious occupation that only multiboxers and low sp players tend to engage in, and thats only because they dont know or dont have the sp to rat efficiently yet. Please help some of the nullsec entities to retain their mining fleets by making it more attractive than moving back to hisec.

This is getting long, but this will be my last point.

Ran out of characters. Will finish my thoughts in second post

Guys it realy isnt that bad at all. You just have to wait 55 minutes for a cap or 14 minutes for a JF and the fatigue is completely gone. You will have to balance between waiting for decay to disappear on longer trips and jumping quickly for short trips then clearing the decay while you are doing things at your destination.

It's perfectly reasonable to jump a JF in 2-4 minutes with the patch and only minimally raise the fatigue to where it depletes rather quickly after you arrive at your destination.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDMQpeKE-HzGKmFRTR69HJCk4McHyHz020Qs4Rgg414/htmlview?pli=1&sle=true#gid=0

Have a look at the first column. It's not that bad at all.

I love everything about this thread. It makes me so happy to see people whine and complain without even realizing that they were part of the problem. Maybe this will restore some fun into the game and make tactics more complex than 'wait for the titan.' 'Wait for the triage carriers.' 'Wait for the dreads to blap everything.' 'Wait for the supers to incap the entire POS' defenses.' This is gonna be fun, to be able to play without supers dictating everything at a second's notice.

Oh, and that sound you hear is just nullsec pubbies whining nonstop, you can ignore the high pitched whining. So much for the caps that can be anywhere in minutes!

Enter the sov system.

No, pretty sure he meant slower. As in, more time is taken to achieve the same task.

Strategic would imply the means to strike an enemy in a way that cripples their means to fight in a war. Alternative, set in place strategies that would achieve goals in the long term.

Strategic gameplay is predicated on the idea that the enemy has facilities, or vulnerabilities that a clever opponent could neutralize.

Slowing the game down does not constitute an increase in strategy, only the length of time required to implement said strategy. The current proposal not only increases that time, but also limits the options that any entity has in striking out at any distant enemy.

Nullsec will now need to be owned in radial sections to control access to high sec. Unfortunately, this is already the case for most regions. The doughnut lives on, only becoming harder to flank.

JF should be excluded from this.JF is purely moving stuff around and not combat. SERIOUSLY CCP.

To everyone complaing about long jump fatigue:
There are two things you aren't considering.

A) You are not suppose to jump as soon as possible. If you wait out your fatigue then timers become a lot more manageable.

B). You are not suppose to use your caps to deploy to "hot zones" across the map. The days of owning vast amounts of empty space are over. Decide what space is important to you and live in it. Coalitions will be useless since you cant help eachother over vast distances. You know, like we've been asking for the past 2 years.

Hold strong CCP. THIS IS GOOD FOR NULLSEC.

This so perfectly summarizes my feelings on the cap as well, I couldn't have said it better myself. The fatigue cap is understandable to the extent of delaying travel across eve, but what purpose does anything over even a 24 hour delay serve? The exponential growth on the formula is heavy handed and ill-thought out.

This is a good idea.