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i agree with everything but the jump range , that's just crazy 5ly is nothing really people in remote places would need like 20 cyno alts to get to the closest low sec to jita and come back

that's why too much .

you wanna nerf the jump range fine , make all capitals jump range same as the dread jump range now

not enough

5 LY range is a massive issue for jump freighters to reach some parts of nullsec - looking at the map mostly south of the Vapor Sea and east of Divinity's Edge.

while I can see the reasoning for all the changes, the geography of EVE makes those 5 LY a real trouble for logistics.

My personal opinion? implement changes as planned, change the geography of EVE a little to make that gap smaller - and thus give jump freighters more than one option to go east.


(I do a lot of nullsec industry and logistics. nerfing Jita logistics HARD is a good thing imho. but please don't make it impossibly hard - there are those things that are possible to make from local ressources and where you just have to import stuff)

2 things (they have probably been said before but I'll say them again)

1. I think 5LY max is way too short. Yes I understand you want to tone down batphones and, yes, I understand that you want to try and limit "safety" of capital travel. However giving gates to caps does not even come close to negating the minuscule jump range as gate camps will just get worse by a large factor. The great part about jumping is that it is a "safer" mode of travel. I'm not opposed to fatigue as a concept, but i feel that its high cost coupled with the tiny jump range is a bit harsh.

2.You always seem to be talking about new player experience and player retention, and i feel that null will become too hard for a new player to access since null entrance gatecamps will get 1000x(exaggerated) worse as people will try to get caps thru, so there is much more of an incentive to camp a gate if you now have a chance to get a juicy cap kill. This means that a low skilled BC (or similar ship) will have no chance of getting thru one of those camps and out to their friends/new corp. I know that the pod-jumping is an abused mechanic but I feel that killing it entirely is a bit of a cop out. C'mon guys be creative, I'm sure you could figure out something that allows a faster and safer way to get your body somewhere than gating through said gatecamps, while removing the abused parts.

Maybe some sort of one-time-use thing that can be used at certain stations(hisec offices, etc) and allow you to go to a certain station(s) held by your alliance. Maybe it could utilize AUR as it would be a "luxury" thing.

My 2 cents

~Yogg

It's just you. This isn't a "balance pass" at all. It's a complete redefining the use and roll of jump capable ships. It's the end of cross map teleportation. Full stop.

ah yes, they were fun at one point

i wonder how many in the video are still working for ccp

That's the largest problem I have with this. The large blocks will have no problem moving there capital fleets using gates because their fleets are large enough that no one can really do anything to them. In some ways this will actually increase the mobility of larger cap fleets, I really don't look forward to 100+ man fleets of roaming capitals...

While for the smaller groups which only have a handful capitals using gates is not an option because even smaller roaming gangs are going to pose a serious threat to them.

Congratulations, you missed literally the entire point of this change

I think you can pretty much assume there will be a cap, or some sort of gentle tapering off for the effect. At the moment they're just setting out general principles of cooldown/fatigue, not going over every last detail.


Personally, I like the general idea, with two qualifiers:

1) perhaps the effects on blops are too much - the ship exists to either jump to combat itself, or to fire a bunch of bombers out for a gank. Fatigue as currently laid out will mean you'll be able to make one return trip and then that's end of fleet, and few are going to bother forming a bomber hotdrop fleet for only one drop. To my mind, this cuts out a rather fun part of the game, to little benefit - this isn't titan bridging or cap ops, the main targets of these changes, it's much more small scale and of less strategic importance. It's also accessible to low SP pilots, even in public fleets (eg Bombers Bar or Spectre Fleet). In my opinion, that's something worth preserving.

Suggestion: the same 90% fatigue reduction offered to JFs/Rorqs. If that's too much, perhaps only offer said fatigue reduction to ships bridged.


2) Logistics work via JF is going to be borderline impossible with 5LY max, as too many of the big regional null gates are beyond that range. I know there's a complicated interaction with the industry changes to consider, but perhaps restrict the initial range reduction to 25% (7.5ly)? As above, afaics the main target is strategic capital movement/bridging, so perhaps the knock-on effects on logistics should be less severe. Perhaps to be re-evaluated after a few months to observe the effects?

We can already make any tech 1 ship in nullsec, but tech 2 & some capital components can only be built from materials that spawn in certain areas of space. If you had any idea of what you were talking about then you would understand how stupid your suggestion is & probably wouldn't have made it in the first place.