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Are you, perhaps, a bird? Maybe an unusually small specimen of the genus Gallus? One who possesses an overlarge fear of a small event?

Because right now you sound a lot like Chicken Little.

Especially when that gatecamp is a dreadcamp.

E: or should I say bootcamp?

Guess what the new bait ship's going to be...

More options: sell the minerals locally to a builder who creates useful items locally and sell them to the people living there

I can't wait for these changes- I was always interested in using carriers, but it's been a bad idea for a long time- with this,it may be a possibility

Also, I really do want them to just go all the way and just let caps use gates to get into high sec again- it would create a lot of fun 'emergent gameplay' for certain

I'm not sure what to think about this idea, because while I'm a huge advocate for changing how nullsec works, I can't help thinking that this idea is coming from the wrong place.

This is a very powerful misconception that a small entity cannot field capitals because the boogieman is right around the corner. The fact of the matter is that small groups with experience throw capitals around fairly often without getting caught. However when people get into the habit of throwing around capitals two things occur: others take notice, and hubris. I get messaged 3-5 times a week about someone fielding capitals recklessly. More often than not I completely ignore it, because fishing for capitals requires a fair amount of effort and it's usually just white noise. However when some entity gets very comfortable throwing capitals around without contingency plans, I try to punish them. It's not me randomly flying around with a cyno on my ship, it's people making a plan to catch them and executed the plan. The party that lost their capitals generally make noise about how getting ganked just isn't fair and then look to an outside force being responsible for the loss. This is natural, but it is simply white noise.

Another misconception is that nullsec fights between two parties are impossible because - thanks to "power projection" - everyone can show up to every fight. It is true that sov-based fights are frequently interrupted by non-involved parties, though that's about it. Not every entity with carriers shows up to every fight; CFC don't say 'oh hey BNI is fighting Provibloc, let's take 250 Carriers and stroll over there because we can project power'. Fights like B-R should, according to the "Power Projection Ruins Everything Baww" group, happen for every fight. Right?

Sov fights are frequently three-way'd not because anyone with a carrier can simply show up whenever they want to, but because the act of fighting over sov in a meaningful fashion is terrible. If I can get the benefit of the fight without having to do the actual work, of course that is appealing to me. Formup timers are more or less public in this day and age, so I can plan accordingly. FC's that threeway fights don't just sit there looking on the map for something, they /know/ where a fight is going to happen because it's completely transparent. When a fight is "ruined", an external force is always blamed. The nature of an Eve pilot.

If you think this is all bullshit hokum from a guy that drops on everything that moves, you simply have to look back at what fights were like before carriers were mandatory for nullsec pilots. For big timers, or fun timers, the same people who "ruin" and "escalate" fights now did it back then - with the same frequency. Turn back the clock to 2005 when Dyspro and Prom were the hotness of the day. The same people who controlled the income back then control income now (space instead of towers), and the same massive slugfests would happen over moons. FCs are a close-knit group, and they love chatting to one another about what is going to happen. Some even ask one another to show up to fights; a novel concept indeed.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I have a very solid understanding on what the real problems are and I'll happily touch on them briefly. CCP has the tendency of removing force multipliers from the game, forcing like-minded parties to get closer together out of necessity more than anything else. When Blap Titans were nerfed and left untouched, the capital meta ran wild. The new force multiplier wasn't a half dozen Blap Titans, but instead 50 Archons. While it was fairly trivial to seriously threaten 6 no-tank Titans, a block of 50 Archons was much less of a concern. If one bumps, or suffers from a socket closed error that we see so often lately, then who cares! It's 1/100th the risk of a bounced Titan, and can be built without holding any space. But 50 Archons didn't really have a natural counter. Titans got nerfed and left hanging, so you'd need 150 Titans to blap 50 DD-tanked Archons - not worth. Super Carriers can't do it because the fighter bombers get smartbombed off near instantly. Dreads are an OK counter, but you can counter Dreads by just bringing more Carriers. So the Capital meta ran wild while being relatively untouched and groups were required to coalesce in order to utilize these new force multipliers (since they now required an order of magnitude more people to pull off).

The most vital in reason that the state of nullsec is where it is now is because the Eve playerbase is amazing at finding the most efficient solutions to a scenario. After changing income from Technetium moons and putting it into space, 75% of the sov changed hands in the eight months that followed. That is an INSANE effect. Null-sec rules changes, and so null-sec went to war. Easy peasy.

Since then there have been no changes to the whole thing, and in spite of everything there have still been some significant wars - on par with the bloodshed we saw in the "good ole days". A coalition formed in the South and began to fight for space. Since the null-sec rules haven't changed, everyone understood that the best defense against any attacker is to just have an absolute shitload of space. There is a massive inequality between attacking space and defending it, with defense being significantly less taxing. Do I want to keep Malpais safe? Better control the 10 regions around it! So the party that actually WON the B-R fight, throwing a ten trillion isk punch, eventually stopped their attack because grinding the space was simply too horrible. Not only did they cancel their attack, but they managed to DISBAND and LOSE everything they had before starting the war. That is how awful sov-wars are right now.

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So with this change, the caps and subcaps I have scattered around new eden will become almost completely unrecoverable and useless?

If my corp wanted to move from one alliance on the east side of the galaxy to an alliance on the west side of the galaxy, does everyone have to sell ALL of their capitals and supercapitals and then re-buy them in the new location? Is our only alternative to spend countless hours warping unsupported cap groups through hostile space all the way around hisec?

Are you changing supercap construction so that it can take place in NPC null, or will it be nearly impossible for non-sov entities to acquire supers unless their neighbor is willing to sell them within 5 LY of pirate space?

Are you increasing mining yields so that mining isn't as much of an endlessly soul-sucking, fun-destroying burden of boredom that will become a necessity for nearly anyone who wants to make it in null?

Are you adding more defensive capabilities to mining support ships so that an entire PvP fleet doesn't have to share the same soul-sucking, fun-destroying fate while they babysit the miners?

Are you shuffling moons so that their resources are more evenly distributed throughout all regions and the price of T2 products doesn't leap to incredible heights?

Are you making T3 materials more widely available to the far reaches of null or are billions of ISK in T3 materials going to have to be transported from hisec by suicidal blockade runners every time a tengu fleet takes losses?

This seems so astonishingly stupid on so many levels that I'm almost unwilling to believe my eyes. With the way I'm envisioning these changes affecting my time spent doing fun things vs. time doing boring grind things, I'm seriously considering dropping this game entirely on the day these changes are implemented. If these are the kinds of ham-fisted, baby-out-with-the-bathwater solutions you guys have been tossing around up there in Reykjavik, it's no wonder that a lot of your best devs have been jumping ship. There's a number of fresh, wild and sexy space sandboxes coming out and Eve is looking more and more like the ancient, crippled grandfather who constantly ***** on himself while retelling one of his two "glory days" stories.

Jump freighters get a 90% reduction in these penalties. Your lack of logic is frightening.

Con't from https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5073593#post5073593 because I post too hard.




In my eyes the solution isn't messing with jump ranges, which simply exacerbates the need for the organized parties to control large swathes of space, but instead to change the null-sec rules. They don't have to be drastic, they don't have to have a reason, CCP just needs to inject some chaos and let Eve players fight and claw over the next big thing. Do I have a solution in mind? Nope; I'll be the first to admit that I don't have the right answers. However I do understand better than most the issues facing null-sec at the moment, and I fail to see how any of these changes will fix things for the better. Holding space is now more important, so stratops will now have to form earlier. I will simply reduce my offices to strategic locations, have a cache of ships in certain regions, then fly speed fit interceptors to death-clone to my new cache. If you come after my space, I'm going to choose awful timers and form up earlier than you to defend them. I will litter my space with Caldari Outposts so taking it is even more tedious. why? Because that's the easiest solution.

So I implore you CCP if you think this jump-shock **** is a great solution, fine go HAM all over it. But understand what the REAL issues are, and how this alone will only make it that much worse.

The problem that CCP are trying to solve is a real one and I applaud that they are trying to do something about it...

... but these are the absolute worst set of solutions that they could have picked. Cooldown timers? Really? That's the best that they could do? Sheesh....

As many others have said, these 'fixes' will just make the problem worse since larger power blocs will be the only ones that can cope with the logistics of getting around the changes.

And +1 also for those that have said that people who only get a couple of hours gameplay a day at most will all suffer horribly... sitting in station waiting for a cooldown timer to expire is... well, not cool.

I'm a supporter of system limits on capital ships or some other, more elegant solution that allows logistics to carry on but prevents the huge cap-fleets from leaping across New Eden and dominating the game. Whatever the answer is, it's certainly not this set of proposals I'm afraid.

So... +1 for trying to tackle the issue and -10 for the proposed implementation.