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You keep dreaming, little man. Throw some of that money around to various mercs, see where it gets you this time around that it hasn't gotten you all the other times you've tried.

CCP cant press the self destruct button fast enough can they? How exactly can new members of any null alliance get to their territory?

Eve is a game, games are apparently supposed to be fun but not according to CCP.

Jump timers make sense, don't get me wrong, a spool up to jump and a cooldown makes sense, at the moment it is broken, it isn't fun. This Nerf just hits everyone with the same unfun range fatigue hammer.

Watching timers get bigger and bigger and waiting to play is fun says CCP:

-Looking at warp tunnels for hours on end.
-Looking at counters counting down so you don't have to warp.
-Waiting to go into warp.
-Looking at tidi as you jump a fleet large enough to counter another fleet 20 jumps away. Mmm what a fun way to spend 2 hours.

Jump fatigue is pretty much the worst thing I can think of to impose on EVE in 0.0. Not because it will reduce cap escalation, it will definitely, however it does it in pretty much the shittiest way I can imagine. It will mean people with massed capitals already in system will always win, travel with a cap fleet /sub cap fleet large enough to counter this will be so epicly tedious, that noone will bother.

The worst hell will be saved for people just trying to get around and do the logistics that supports most play in 0.0, this will go from boring as paint drying to some form of water torture.

People will use jumpclones and caches and they will inevitably get nerfed too, also probably also in the shittiest way possible just to make the game worse for everyone, especially new players.

I play a fun game where you get fatigued, said noone ever.

..Fatigue, boring, stagnation, tidi, timer, death clone, dead.. Eve 2015

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For you, not for them lol. They will be the SAD.

I have skimmed through most pages and no one seems to be even mentioning the tidi problem that the increase in gate travel will cause, a point I raised on page 6.


Two full fleets traveling in the same region can potentially tidi dozens of systems just from the gate jumps. It's going to extremely annoying and frustrating to deal with.


Oh and I have said it before and I'll say it again now. Warp speeds must be balanced more. Faster ships need to warp slower and slower ships need to warp faster. There is almost no reason to use a BS doctrine now when T3s move so much faster. And you can move from one side to the other way too fast in an interceptor, then just pick up your doctrine ship in that other staging system and you are good to go. And at least by now uncatchable 2.0s aligning interceptors just have to be gotten rid of. Those things were always stupid as hell and latest patch just made them even easier to do.

Default fit it isn't, but with warp speed mods and midgrade ascendancies a cap warps faster than a cruiser :-)

Great job @ CCP & CSM. Jump drives were in for a huge nerf for a long time now. It's hilarious to see the tears of all those people that have been asking for a nerf of power projection before. Don't you be pushed into dropping your plans just because some people are threatening to unsub (they won't).

I have several caps/cap pilots and I agree 95% with the proposed changes. There's only a couple details I'd like to see changed:

- 5 ly seems a bit extreme for maximum jump range. I'd rather see a 7,5 ly maximum across the board.
- The Cooldown timer shouldn't kick in immediately but only after 10-20 light years of jumping to enable drive-by attacks and such. This would also take some pressure/risk of smaller groups that are trying to do logistics between low and npc-null for example.
- I too am concerned about new players getting to nullsec without suicide-cloning. This should be put into another release to allow for a separate discussion.
- Moms and Titans jumping gates --> idk ...

"We will be releasing a collection of other smaller changes in Phoebe that will be of interest to many of the same people who are affected by these travel changes. These include a rebalance of starbase weapons, a rebalance of stealth bombers and heavy interdictors, enabling of lowsec doomsdays, and changes to interdictor bubble mechanics. More information to come."

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Not sure what kind of changes you're considering for bubbles. But I would have liked you to announce it in this same devblog because it's relevant for capitals being able to jump gates now.

+1 on top of a like for you Sir.

@CCP GREYSCALE

I love all of this- but one qualm I have with it is the length fatigue can extend to- I feel like there should be some hard limit to prevent players from having to wait absurd amounts of time to use a jump drive again- nothing of significande, maybe maye the maximum a week or around there.

Still- I love all of this!

Keep it comin'- this will be great

From a lowsec perspective i think these changes will be good.

Also it now means that larger engagements are now possible for smaller entities without a massive blob just appearing because they have nothing better to do.

**** all the people in PL and CFC who want to complain about this just because you don't want to spend time to get fights and just continue with this it looks like it will be great.

Cant wait for this to be on the test server to play with.