Crime & Punishment

I dare to counter your argument - it should be the other way around. New players should start in low sec and earn their right to stay in a protected environment. That would eliminate the false expectations everyone has of high sec right away by not even starting to educate them in a 'safe' environment. The same concept has been applied to many other pvp related games and works fine - it would do so as well in Eve. A 'new player tag' could be easily applied to them for x-days to prevent podding them - but they would lose stuff and learn how the reality is right away.

Please enlighten us how you deduce that there is a general deflation? The general trend was always inflation do to CCP removing a lot of ISK sinks (NPC market orders for POS fuel components as an example) and adding a tonn of new ISK faucets like incursions. More ISK in circulation means devaluation of ISK and therefor inflation.

There is no indication that mining has increased in the last time. If you look at the traded Tritanium volume, and I would say this is a good indication for the amount of mining done, it's actually down quite a bit over the last months.

The PLEX inflation will likely continue until something is done against all this risk free ISK money machines in Highsec. This players like yourself have almost no cost do to almost perfect safety and easy game mechanics, so their only target left is to grind ISK for PLEX. Because there is obviously more demand than supply the price is increasing as long as a dedicated incursion runner income can finance it.

But rather than complaining to CCP, because they won't listen anyway, their ranks are full of carebears who steer the game into the abyss this days, we can do something about this on our own. Gank an incursion runner today and stop the ISK inflation death spiral of PLEX.

you don't have to prove veers wrong, just keep him talking long enough and he'll do it for you

You actually are proving my argument. Even though incursions injected significant isk into the game, and would naturally cause a concomitant rise in the isk price of eve materials, no such rise occurred. In fact, many ships actually declined in price - please check historical data. Pay special attention to pirate faction ships. This is because, brace for it, mining was occuring at an even faster rate, and raw materials were more readily available to use in ship manufacturing. This is probably due to the rise of bot and AFK mining fleets, and the ehp buff to mining barges, plus the spectacularly ineffective campaign by CODE to reduce mining (400 bil lit on fire with no tangible impact).

Now here is the real kicker - and please do listen carefully. If the rise in Plex price was due to Isk faucets - we would see it rising in Isk price, sure, but we would also see all ships/mods rising in isk price in a similar %. So if a plex could get ya 1 mach before incursions, and now because plex doubled in isk price it could buy you two machs, machs would double in price as well, so that plex could still only buy one of them. If the rise in plex was purely due to nominal currency inflation, then then underlying assets that you could purchase with plex would be unchanged, and would need to inflate IN THE EXACT SAME ratio as plex. That is not occurring at all - and the reason is that plex is inflating relative to eve assets, not to isk, and its because of bot/afk mining.

And good luck ganking incursion runners *eyeroll*....your incursion contest was a bust...your organization is barely active anymore....and you always did prefer ships that don't shoot back. Bad at economics, bad at ganking, bad at Eve....CODE in a nutshell.

If the Goons want to engage me, can they at least send a real Goon and not a Waffe? Thanks.

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You start out with a false premise and it does not get better it seams. As I have written, the marked data actually shows a decline in traded amount of minerals. You don't have to invent some pet theory about the mining rate with some numbers that are entirely unrelated if there is an actual metric for it.
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This is actually a pretty common, and quite dishonest, debating strategy used by a few people around here.

What you do is, start with a bad premise. You then take your debate straight to the "end point". Human nature being what it is, you and your partner debate back and forth on that end point, finally reaching a middle ground....while leaving the original false premise intact for later use.

Example:

"Ganking is a horrible thing done by sociopaths it causes deflation in the markets which keeps newbies from playing the game which causes CCP to lose money so all their devs move to Riot."

"Dude, the devs are moving to Riot because CCP isn't competitive. Also, newbies have no problem playing the game."

"Nuh uh I saw like four newbies quit because they couldn't buy tengus how do you explain that?"

"Well, some people just don't want to play EVE the way it is best they find out early..."


*totally different thread*
Look, ganking is evil, read this thread where a ganker doesn't even address the fact that they're a sociopath....

Because the reality is that bot mining fleets are flooding highsec...mining is too easy to do, and far too profitable - result - ship/mod deflation and plex inflation - which is a disaster.

So there is a metric (trade volume) that directly contradicts the assumption that more minerals are mined but "it's not important". Well played, this completely shattered my views about the topic and your unfounded assumptions look absolutely convincing now. And what about all the ad hominem attacks, are they part of the argument? Doesn't work without them I guess.

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