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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#601 - 2014-09-28 10:11:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#602 - 2014-09-28 10:14:43 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?


Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#603 - 2014-09-28 10:18:09 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?


Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.


I am being serious What?

You have shown us all how the economy is quite difficult for some to comprehend. I believe that truly, the only person in the thread who can answer my question is you, given your advanced knowledge of the subject.

What determines the price of plex?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#604 - 2014-09-28 10:19:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?


Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.

http://media0.giphy.com/media/UW3FPFof5CKLC/giphy.gif

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Valkin Mordirc
#605 - 2014-09-28 10:19:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?


Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.



AVOIDING THE QUESTION! \o/


Also everyone has the right to make a fool of themselves.


Like using big words, to make yourself seem more intelligent and counting the fact that you can use big words has a personal win.


But really.


How DO the hamster's set the arbitrary plex price?

Why have they changed their mind about the plex price?

Why do hamsters drive SOUL's?


You seem to have all the answer Veer's. Let's have them.
#DeleteTheWeak
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#606 - 2014-09-28 10:23:15 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Why have they changed their mind about the plex price?


I expect that Veers will show us the truth here soon, but I am gonna take a wild guess, that the hamsters are mad about the ganking, and trying to punish us.

Just pay your sub and run missions guys okay. Or go to real PvP space. The hamsters have spoken!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#607 - 2014-09-28 10:23:23 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Enough said.


I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this?


Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.


I am being serious What?

You have shown us all how the economy is quite difficult for some to comprehend. I believe that truly, the only person in the thread who can answer my question is you, given your advanced knowledge of the subject.

What determines the price of plex?


Well, CCP arbitrarily determines how much a Plex costs in $$$. Then you look at the supply/demand for plex (which is derived from, among other things, the supply/demand for ISK). Currently we have Plex inflation coupled with generalized Eve deflation, which suggests that Eve stuff is getting devalued due to too much mining.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#608 - 2014-09-28 10:25:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
too much mining.


I knew it! That rodent voice in my ear compelling me to gank. It makes sense now. Thank you!
Valkin Mordirc
#609 - 2014-09-28 10:26:22 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Well, CCP arbitrarily determines how much a Plex costs in $$$. Then you look at the supply/demand for plex (which is derived from, among other things, the supply/demand for ISK). Currently we have Plex inflation coupled with generalized Eve deflation, which suggests that Eve stuff is getting devalued due to too much mining.



Right so ganking is good then, since it forces miners to stop mining, and causes the loss of assets, forcing the price to go UP!


YEAH! GO GANKING! 
#DeleteTheWeak
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#610 - 2014-09-28 10:26:40 UTC
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#611 - 2014-09-28 10:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.

Psssshhhhh Froggy! we know about that, we were playing Logical Fallacies Bingo, here is your card, shout bingo when you see veers fill that sheet in a single threadBig smile

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#612 - 2014-09-28 10:40:00 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Well, CCP arbitrarily determines how much a Plex costs in $$$. Then you look at the supply/demand for plex (which is derived from, among other things, the supply/demand for ISK). Currently we have Plex inflation coupled with generalized Eve deflation, which suggests that Eve stuff is getting devalued due to too much mining.



Right so ganking is good then, since it forces miners to stop mining, and causes the loss of assets, forcing the price to go UP!


YEAH! GO GANKING!


Well, I'm on record as suggesting that gankers focus on miners, and not drift towards haulers, mission runners, incursion runners, etc... I've also pointed out that ganking is not actually an effective way to get miners to mine less - what is needed is engagement and exposure to other parts of the game.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#613 - 2014-09-28 10:42:52 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.

Psssshhhhh Froggy! we know about that, we were playing Logical Fallacies Bingo, here is your card, shout bingo when you see veers fill that sheet in a single threadBig smile


I just wish I could stop missing the lightning round discussions. Quick back and forth for almost a full page, then wham screeching halt as soon as I post. (Not a logical conclusion but one of perception)
Makes me think I am that guy at the party who serially kills every conversion.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#614 - 2014-09-28 10:44:45 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Well, I'm on record as suggesting that gankers focus on miners, and not drift towards haulers,

ohhhh, you should stretch before doing mental gymnastics dude, you have said otherwise in this very thread.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#615 - 2014-09-28 10:45:34 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.


Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#616 - 2014-09-28 10:47:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Well, I'm on record as suggesting that gankers focus on miners, and not drift towards haulers,

ohhhh, you should stretch before doing mental gymnastics dude, you have said otherwise in this very thread.


Actually I made this exact point with the CODE folks on TS. I pointed out that mining lends itself to AFK and botting, and that miners are creating deflation. I also pointed out that ganking just pisses them off and doesn't stop them from coming right back and mining. What is needed is real engagement to show them other more interesting parts of the game....but hey, apparently you know what I think better than I do, so please continue *eyeroll*.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#617 - 2014-09-28 10:49:38 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.


Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.


Clearly the teaching of third graders, presumably preteen, economics is a hyperbolic statement to claim "this is so simple even a cave man can do it"

That is a logical fallasy. Q.E.D.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.
Valkin Mordirc
#618 - 2014-09-28 10:50:26 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.


Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.



http://www.logicalfallacies.info


Hey Ralph? If he does the same thing twice do we get double points? 
#DeleteTheWeak
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#619 - 2014-09-28 10:51:48 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info

Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically.


Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.


Clearly the teaching of third graders, presumably preteen, economics is a hyperbolic statement to claim "this is so simple even a cave man can do it"

That is a logical fallasy. Q.E.D.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.


No, it simply indicates that it's pretty simple economics theory that virtually everyone should be aware of. It's the kind of stuff that even a 3rd grader would have learned. But hey, keep up the good work *eyeroll*
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#620 - 2014-09-28 10:55:35 UTC
Again that is the basis of your chosen logic fault. You suggested in explicit terms at least twice that a third grader should know what arbitrage is. (False logic) And that since someone didn't know what that meant (not proven) the rest of their discussion was then invalid though not related (false logic) Which then begs the analysis of "I don't use any faulty logic" which by itself is virtually impossible.