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[Oceanus] Cyno Displacement Zone around starbases

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Caldess
The Executives
#261 - 2014-09-19 03:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldess
MeBiatch wrote:
Caldess wrote:


right now i do it like : jump blind to the beacon (because who needs a scout) warp to my bookmark @ 100
after the patch i do it like : jump blind to the beacon (because who needs a scout) warp to my bookmark @ 100.

Can you find the difference? If yes then please let me know. im always open for new things


Anyone else sense the inspiration for clarion call v?

Cloaky dictor
Cyno
?
Profit



Yea i should have known better before posting something ironical here. But i will edit it to prevent further irritation.

However since you are busy with your feighter ops i could also just give no fucks and jump blind ;)
Inslander Wessette
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#262 - 2014-09-19 04:08:32 UTC
Caldess wrote:
Inslander Wessette wrote:
Dear CCP fozzie,

I'll give a situation which u will solve for me ?

Assuming U own 5 poses in a system say in "Khanid" region say "Upt" which has no stations 3 jumps out . And u wanna do maintenance on ur pos .. fuel , taking moon goo etc ..

So u cyno in ur JF 150km from the tower cos i'm sure ur not gonna slow boat 25km in a Rhea into the shields.. u use an alt to deploy Cyno Jammer , Scan inhibitor yada yada yada .. U even use a Rapier to web ur JF to warp from 150km .

Le me scouting systems .. see u doing this i pass by .. i jus add u to watch list . 1 month later .. U do the same thing .. jus that i'll b having a 30 man ishtar fleet with 6 guardians cyoned in the adjacent system.. enuf to kill u b4 the pos guns even target us .. cos u cant call back up thru cyno ..cos ur own cyno jammer is up and running for good effect . Ur rapier is toast as well .

ur pos goes outta fuel soon cos ofc u cant fuel it buddy . Might as well write down ur pos to me . cos if u are gonna run 10 jumps to high sec in an iteron 5 with moon goo and fuel i'm gonna enjoy camping u .

CCP trolling on the little guys as usual .

guys who are about to face this situation - end subscription as soon as possible best solution there is .

or join a power block u'll eventually get there



Please by all means stop posting my eyes are bleeding. However im a nice guy so i solve your pubbie problem.

throw away that cyno inhib and scan inhibitor no one needs that ****. Take a noobship fit a cyno and 2 webs. Make a bookmark 200 of one of you towers (you can literally make safespot anywhere in system and us that) . warp to bookmark light cyno Jump JF in fleetwarp JF to a POS @ 10 and web the freighter. that leaves anyone like 5 seconds (its actually less but who gives a ****) to catch your JF.

Just because you lost your illusion of safty because you can no longer light the cyno right next to the shields doesnt mean you were ever safe while doing so. So in the end what changes for you? Nothing..you might have to do some extra work, but if some work is to much for you. Then for the love of ******* god you should not run any towers anyways.


Lol do it in SISI and post it .. all usless talk and babbles .. from the point of lighting cyno - JF jumping - Rapier decloaking - Targeting - Inititating warp - 5 sec my ass.. u have been playing the game wrong ..sadly .. lol when u lose ur Jf's i'll make sure to link it in KB ...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#263 - 2014-09-19 04:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Caldess wrote:



Yea i should have known better before posting something ironical here. But i will edit it to prevent further irritation.

However since you are busy with your feighter ops i could also just give no fucks and jump blind ;)


i still say there should be a standard ironic font.

the one thing i liked about the old system of frieghter ops was that the "big guys" would live closer to lowsec/hi sec and leave the deep space for us small guys... as you said who wants to go that many jumps amirite? now adays every 0.0 system can be reached with less risk then undocking from Jita.

plus you might poke fun at me but back in the day you constantly had stuff to do that was not just roams and strat ops.

by escorting the frighters you were being involved in helping your little empire grow. it meant something

i remember when everyone belt ratted and there were miners everywhere and vegabonds trying to kill everyone. it was fun saving your buddy from a rat or fight off with the kitchen sink in system from a roaming gang. it was a great time before SRP when loosing your domi meant something.

those times were great because you could have escalating pvp without the batphone...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2014-09-19 05:45:58 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Caldess wrote:



Yea i should have known better before posting something ironical here. But i will edit it to prevent further irritation.

However since you are busy with your feighter ops i could also just give no fucks and jump blind ;)


i still say there should be a standard ironic font.

the one thing i liked about the old system of frieghter ops was that the "big guys" would live closer to lowsec/hi sec and leave the deep space for us small guys... as you said who wants to go that many jumps amirite? now adays every 0.0 system can be reached with less risk then undocking from Jita.

plus you might poke fun at me but back in the day you constantly had stuff to do that was not just roams and strat ops.

by escorting the frighters you were being involved in helping your little empire grow. it meant something

i remember when everyone belt ratted and there were miners everywhere and vegabonds trying to kill everyone. it was fun saving your buddy from a rat or fight off with the kitchen sink in system from a roaming gang. it was a great time before SRP when loosing your domi meant something.

those times were great because you could have escalating pvp without the batphone...


Dude, You got some really wicked rose colored glasses there.

Freighter ops were boring unfun shite, and if they did become "exciting" you done goofed. Belt ratting was the only option before Dominion, and after the Drone regions opened up you would be stupid to mine in nullsec. Stop lying about how "great it was" in the past. We did it in the past because it was necessary, not because it was "fun." I'm glad the unfun shitefest is dead and buried. The only people who want to go back to those "glory days" have a real problem in the way they remember things, and should seek medical help for their impaired memory.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#265 - 2014-09-19 06:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I've been in meetings with the CSM all morning, and amongst all the topics we did some further discussion around this change taking the public feedback into account. The conclusion of the discussion was satisfactory for all parties.

Now, do the same for Titan Bridging...

You know you want too...

It'll instantly kill the Blue Doughnut!



I don't know about instantly killing it, but I agree that titan and blops bridging being restricted to >25km of a POS would be an amazing and extremely amusing change that would really "shake up the meta" as CCP likes to put it.

It certainly wouldn't be bad for the health of nullsec in any possible way. At the very least, prod the CSM about it.

Come on, Fozzie. You know you want to do it. I know you want to do it. Everyone knows you want to do it. Pull the trigger.
I dont troll
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-09-19 08:26:00 UTC
Came expecting **** tons of nullbear tears!!!

Wasn't too disappointed however you nullbears are slacking - go look at the whinethread of dirty wormholers and the kick-from-WH mechanic Blink that's how you whine
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#267 - 2014-09-19 08:40:37 UTC
This actually makes sense. GJ for finally fixing something.

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#268 - 2014-09-19 10:25:59 UTC
Where is that 1000 MN Afterburner ? Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#269 - 2014-09-19 11:39:45 UTC
CCP screwed WH guys over and added basically same type of mechanic. About 3% of them liked it.
CCP does same thing to null.

THIS MUST BE CHANGED, WE MUST SAVE NULLSEC.Lol

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Worrff
Enterprise Holdings
#270 - 2014-09-19 11:50:07 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Worrff wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Worrff wrote:
Nice to see the prompt responses from Fozzie addressing the points raised here.

Oh wait.........

You mean while he would be asleep?


He is sleeping at 1.30 PM ? i want a job like that.


It's only 12:42 PM. Learn 2 clock.


LOL

Learn to listen to the players. It would be a refreshing change.

CCP Philosophy: If it works, break it. If it’s broken, leave it alone and break something else.

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#271 - 2014-09-19 12:29:11 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
CCP screwed WH guys over and added basically same type of mechanic. About 3% of them liked it.
CCP does same thing to null.

THIS MUST BE CHANGED, WE MUST SAVE NULLSEC.Lol

we're not all SOMEONE HAS MOVED MY CHEESE aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

the vast majority of the response is positive, there's just a minor tweak to the idea to eliminate some odd and probably unintended effects necessary (or some explanation of the goals so we can suggest changes that meet those as well)

if we were wormholers this thread would be 100 pages of unsub threats and poorly spelled ranting instead of a lot of "good idea! just needs a tweak"
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#272 - 2014-09-19 13:08:43 UTC
Fozzie, would you be so kind to comment on whether the NC. guys that have taken part in the killing of Graham Jackson's Avatar are going to be punished, now that the titan was restored and the exploit is being fixed?
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#273 - 2014-09-19 13:50:57 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
Fozzie, would you be so kind to comment on whether the NC. guys that have taken part in the killing of Graham Jackson's Avatar are going to be punished, now that the titan was restored and the exploit is being fixed?


Since CCP rarely comments on specific punishments regarding specific players, I'm gonna look into my crystal ball and say No, he probably won't be commenting on that.

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave

JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#274 - 2014-09-19 14:00:36 UTC
Can your crystal ball shed some light on my question then?
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#275 - 2014-09-19 14:10:53 UTC
Krystyn wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I've been in meetings with the CSM all morning, and amongst all the topics we did some further discussion around this change taking the public feedback into account. The conclusion of the discussion was satisfactory for all parties.


So tell us what the conclusion was then.


I think he already told you the conclusion. You just have to inject and train comprehension skill to lvl 1!
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#276 - 2014-09-19 14:12:30 UTC
You people aren't any fun. AT ALL.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#277 - 2014-09-19 14:36:09 UTC
Vigilanta wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Finally, a move towards putting risk and difficulty back into null sec logistics and fleet movement.

Jump freighter logistics and easy long distance movement of capital assets has been crippling the game for far too long.

An excellent first step, hopefully only the first of many.

Keep this up and our noble null sec players might actually start enjoying the game again, despite what they think at the moment. Blink


Yea, except this change adds zero risk to the game, it in fact makes nullsec unironically safer, by creating a larger permanent cyno jamming effect around pos shields. The changes should be focused around the core issue, titan bump field mechanics, not poses or cynos.

Anyone who think this is a change that adds risk in the game, does not understand how to use a cyno beacon properly, if at all. I in fact will spell it out to you since you don't seem to understand.

Step 1, creat bookmark @ warp distance from the beacon, with your pos shield in the middle
Step 2: jump in cap
Step 3: warp to bookmark at range, land in pos shield


The fact that you need to take that extra step adds an element of risk that was not present before. You should probably consider how a prepared enemy can disrupt your proposed method... it wouldn't be difficult. Blink

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#278 - 2014-09-19 14:46:52 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Caldess wrote:



Yea i should have known better before posting something ironical here. But i will edit it to prevent further irritation.

However since you are busy with your feighter ops i could also just give no fucks and jump blind ;)


i still say there should be a standard ironic font.

the one thing i liked about the old system of frieghter ops was that the "big guys" would live closer to lowsec/hi sec and leave the deep space for us small guys... as you said who wants to go that many jumps amirite? now adays every 0.0 system can be reached with less risk then undocking from Jita.

plus you might poke fun at me but back in the day you constantly had stuff to do that was not just roams and strat ops.

by escorting the frighters you were being involved in helping your little empire grow. it meant something

i remember when everyone belt ratted and there were miners everywhere and vegabonds trying to kill everyone. it was fun saving your buddy from a rat or fight off with the kitchen sink in system from a roaming gang. it was a great time before SRP when loosing your domi meant something.

those times were great because you could have escalating pvp without the batphone...



yup 0.0 was trillion times more interestign back then. Jump freighters and supercapitals (at least those beign so cheap to build) were the largest mistakes in additions that ccp ever made to this game.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#279 - 2014-09-19 14:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Caldess wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Finally, a move towards putting risk and difficulty back into null sec logistics and fleet movement.

Jump freighter logistics and easy long distance movement of capital assets has been crippling the game for far too long.

An excellent first step, hopefully only the first of many.

Keep this up and our noble null sec players might actually start enjoying the game again, despite what they think at the moment. Blink


Please explain yourself why this in any way stops me from moving my 250 man cap fleet from the North to the South just a second slower than i can now?

And while you are on it explain to me why Jump Freighter logistics (which you obviously never did) will be any harder now?

Any time you bring that fleet into a POS you're going to have to take an extra (unprotected) jump to get inside the POS shields, which adds a layer of vulnerability (albeit a small one).

As a small first step, it's a good one.... hopefully not the last one.

Good game play comes from activities being risky, not from activities being easy... and right now it is far too safe and easy to move a cap fleet (or jump freighter) anywhere you like.

It's ironic, people mock those that say yes to the thought of needing to do freighter ops again to move logistics out to null. And yet those freighter ops used to provide more good fights in a single night than you currently see in Null in a week or more.

Harder and more time consuming? Yes.
More fun, more fights, more unexpected surprises (both good and bad)? Absolutely.

For those that claim they never got a fight transporting goods back and forth to null in a freighter op either:
1: Never actually did one.
2: Did one or two, got bored halfway through and logged off (conveniently forgetting to mention that part).
3: Had opponents so wimpy at that time you wouldn't get a good fight no matter what you did.

Time to stop listening to your lazy industry pilots. If you want to have more fun, let CCP start interjecting some of the risk back into null sec daily activities.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#280 - 2014-09-19 14:54:45 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
CCP screwed WH guys over and added basically same type of mechanic. About 3% of them liked it.
CCP does same thing to null.

THIS MUST BE CHANGED, WE MUST SAVE NULLSEC.Lol

Heh, try not to make the mistake of believing that a long thread actually equates to the majority of the affected players. Most often that is not the case.

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