Science & Industry

Thank you. As you pointed out, this information is not easily available, it should have been.

LOL

I think I had to unanchor, carry to station, repackage and then anchor and online 14-15 labs just to get the slots back after so many starting and cancelling of jobs to get the most benefit from the changeover mechanic.

Seemed like every day was a different message. In the end, was a fantastic success, at least personally

Why are the bpcs found in data/relic sites still me 0/0?

This feels like an oversight.

The ones that were in my inventory from pre crius were updated with enhanced me/pe just like all the other invention bpcs, but any new ones i find are 0/0 making them significantly worse than any invented ones. These bpcs were a nice, random bonus (since the vast majority are useless) but now they have all become largely worthless.

The 0/0 T2 rig BPC thing reminds me of another thing I ran across recently...
Exploration-sourced T2 rig BPCs are still being generated at 0/0. This used to be better than invention-produced ones, but now it's worse. (Although, to be fair, it only matters on big blueprints; many of them use less than 10 of any given material per run.)

Was this intentional?

From what I saw, Greyscale said he would look into things that weren't converted right. These weren't converted at all: they were spawned *after* Crius was released.

Fakedit: On the other hand, it does look like I got scooped by someone two posts above me. I may have posted from page 12 instead of page 13 for some reason.

I don't agree with anything you say :-)

I hope I'm not to late to the thread, but for me, the Indusry UI doesn't behave as I expect.

If I want to find out, whether I can invent a T1-BPC into a T2-BPC, the UI is counterintuitively. I cannot check with a BPO inserted (invention is greyed out), if I switch to copy and try to 'use blueprint' on the result side of the copying-process (rclick the bpc, 'use blueprint') I expect to find the bpc in the middle of the ui (so i can then check invention). Except it doesn't end up there, it puts a bpo in the spot. To check invention, I have to look up the bpc on the contract market and 'use' it from there.
I see two possible solutions: 1) allow invention to be viewed from the bpo (with a tooltip explaining that you need a bpc) 2) using the result of a copy-process places a bpc in the ui

Another thing: 'using' the result of an invention-process (the t2-bpc) puts the bpc with -1 runs in the ui. This is quite unhelpful, as that number cannot be changed ;-)

Hi

Might missunderstod what you mean with incremental bids up to your set maximum.

Wouldn't that just result in that the winning bid ends up with the bid with the highest maximum BUT with the "smallest" possible margin?

In other Words the only effect would be to let the Winner to get of cheaper.

If you with sniping mean raising with "0,1" over highest bid at the last second, that doesnt work/happen.

I bid 8-10 times higher than highest bid at the last second and nearly Always lose anyway.

The only thing to do at the moment is to bid as late as possible and bid what you are willing to pay maximum, there is no way of getting of cheap if the team is good.

If it saves you 6 bill a month bid 1-2 bill, if you loose at 1 bill bid 2 bill next time... you still save 4 bill.
This means that smaller manufacturers can't get hold of good teams but have to move to where they are.

Then when you have your teams you just have to hope it doesnt attract to many other manufacturers that drives the manu index thru the roof.

I don't realy understand what the problem is except that it can be annoying to lose an auction on a team one wants and also if you get it be afraid you paid a lot of Money unneccessary since you dont know what the seccond largest bid was.

That's just Life as ussual...

The only practical thing one can do is to bid on many teams (its enough with the minimum amount) even if you dont want them and try to estimate what you Think they are Worth and try to keep track of what the highest bid is near the end of the bidding.

What they are Worth to you shouldn be a problem.

Then you get the mail when the auction ends "you lost" but you get to know what the winning bid was.
That way you build up some kind of estimate of what "is going on" and as far as i know this is the only way to get intel on the auctions.


I Think it will become clearer how to act "when the dust settles".

The only problems i see is that there could be better filter/sorting/searching options AND AN EASY WAY TO SEE WHAT TEAMS YOU ARE BIDDING ON (i use pen and paper...)

This is how we do it.

Rgds Qinby

By the way nice tool.

Did as you said.

Started a thread about the problem with to many BPO/BPC in the new Industry UI "a realy good idea"


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=371801&find=unread

Came back form a 2 month pause.
Tried the new industry,
- the new UI looks good, but it's way to big. I'm sure the upper half could be done in smaller.
- My old BPO-s which were "perfect" - NO WASTE during production - in the old system are now only lvl 8 or 9. CRAP...
Ok, let's do some research..
- Job costs are a CIRCUS, I'm sure the Crius name for the patch is oblivious. I have no f*king clue how this cost are calculated.
Wanted to do a ME research, on X station, all bpo needed 2 lvl research. For one BPO the cost was 60k, for the other 1.5mil. what the *****.
This is like you dropped a random number generator in the whole process.
What is cheep to research on X station, the next bpo is cheap on Y station, this is just a big mess, there is now easy way to find where to produce what, without clicking through 10-20 stations..
So comparing to the old system, you need 5x more click to achieve the same cost effective installation.

I have no problem if the costs are dynamically changing, but this is way to much randomness. Basically it just renders the whole industry incalculable.

As in the current looks I will leave the industry part of the game, and most likely not activate the industry account anymore.
-1 acc, well done CCP.