Science & Industry

The release has put me off playing and I no longer play or even log in daily like I used to. The bad things outweigh the good and make it hard to be enthusiastic about doing what I loved, building stuff.

Let me start with what I like about the release:
- No build slot limit.
- The new UI for industry

Now for all the stuff I hate dealing with:
- The new UI (it is too big, there's no way to close it, takes a long time to load up all the BPs)
- Build cost ( any system with more then one station has the build index so high it's not cost effective to build large ships there )
- Years of grinding standings now doesn't have any benefits.
- Useless skill that was completely changed. ( this one is minor for me )
- Heavily researched BPOs became the same as lightly researched ones

So no I don't log in to build, I took down my POS, and I don't log in.

If you can fix the UI so I can actually see more blueprints, make my standings worth something, and resolve the build cost issues then it might be worth playing again.

This was much discussed in various post mortems as well.

Obligatory joke with words like "your stuff" and "can i have" goes in here

build the freighter in the POS

Maybe, it's bad enough that I am thinking of giving up on Eve forever.

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DISCLAIMER: I had never really tried industry before Crius, so I can only tell you what I've discovered since it went live.

Here are my general thoughts:

1. I anchored my first hisec POS and didn't have to pay someone for their standings in order to do it. I feel that the lifting of the standings requirements, along with opening up 0.8+ systems, was a huge boost for industry as it gave players more space to operate.

2. I think the change from a fixed number of slots to a sliding install cost based on job creation density is a fabulous idea. I very carefully selected my system to eventually minimize my install costs, and my research paid off. My POS is in a system with few moons and an NPC station with no facilities, so the number of jobs submitted will always remain relatively low.

3. The addition of the compression array, and the lifting of the losec restriction on the reprocessing array, have been great for my mining operations. It has also led to more than a few staggeringly expensive lossmails as people fill cheap haulers with compressed ore, but I'm okay with that.

4. Combining 1-3 means that POSes should not only be more common, but have more variety in fitting. With no need to fit multiple labs or factories of the same type, people can actually do more than one thing at a POS, even a small one. And given that spreading out makes all industry cheaper, having more POSes of different kinds in more systems fits with this perfectly.

5. I love the current industry UI. It took a bit for me to figure out, and there were some wrinkles to get fixed, but overall I think it's great. I do wish it was scalable though, as it does take up almost my entire screen, but you've got a lot of information crammed into one window, so I can understand it needing to be big.


I have a few complaints about reprocessing:

A. I think the old names of reprocessing and refining made far more sense than just lumping everything into reprocessing. WHy do we now "reprocess" ores into minerals? They hadn't ever been processed before, had they? In particular, why is it called a "reprocessing array" if you can only "reprocess" ores there? I know the change was made to clarify things, but in the end I think it just confused them. Can we please get separate refining and reprocessing names back? The only skill related to reprocessing that doesn't involve ores is Scrapmetal Processing; change everything else back to Refining/Refinery. (Just the names, the mechanics are fine IMHO).

B. I seriously dislike how the reprocessing array lacks any kind of UI like reprocessing in a station has. I know, the POS code is broken so it's hard to do. Fix it already. This excuse is getting old.

C. Not a complaint, but I do like how the new reprocessing skill bonuses work. It shouldn't be so easy to get a "perfect" refine.

Short version

- Shut down 4 high sec Large Industy POS for costs outweighing profit
- Stopped all T2 production, BPO and invention for declined margins and numbers
- Fall back to T1 production until we figure out what to do
- Moving production to Jita for obvius reasons

So... Hoping to see the market level out, cant make enough to fund all needed plex atm.
Stetching till the end of the year.. Maybe quit for the time being

... and the least shipping costs.

I moved my manufacturing character out to nullsec because I WANT TO BELIEVE, but, had the stuff I manufactured been bigger than a size that fit a day's production in a blockade runner, I'd have considered moving there too. I was manufacturing enough value of stuff before that I would have started getting nervous putting a day's production in a freighter. There is significant value in not needing to worry about that, although it's probably still cheaper to pay Red Frog to freight it for you than to pay the Jita manufacturing premium... but it's less convenient too.

I actually find it fairly impressive that Jita has nearly a 10% manufacturing cost while essentially everywhere else is less than half of that. It just goes to show what lengths some people will go to in order to have JIT material availability and not have to pay for shipping things to market.

e: turns out Jita only has around an 8% manufacturing cost at the moment

Thing is, it's not simply an excuse -- the POS code is horrendous.

Seriously, POS are just as likely to nuke you as your enemies ... and the code around structure ownership, etc, is a nightmare too.

Good thing it's on the "short list" of things to do (along with corp roles, and SOV) -- note that this is still pretty much a "soon(tm)" list.