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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Bookmarks and Bookmark Copying

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The Hessian
ANGST.
Initiative Mercenaries
#81 - 2014-08-16 12:38:48 UTC
Vipexx Venim wrote:
[quote=Dawnel]Also, subfolders. And did I mention subfolders?


I have a folder for each Region, plus "Wormhole", plus "Quickwarp", plus "unsorted" .. = 45 Folders *sucks*

Subfolders yould be nice.
Via Shivon
#82 - 2014-08-18 09:31:21 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone! This thread is for all of your feedback and discussion surrounding the loosening of bookmark copying restrictions that we discussed in our recently released dev blog. We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it.

Just to get us started, we know you want alliance bookmarks. We're working on the backend systems that this kind of change would tie into.



Are there any Plans to increase the Bookmark Limit?

If not, could you give us the option to disable "Bookmark/Folder" in Station to lower our Bookmark count and have the option to create new ones?
Shure nobody needs 30000 BM at once, but from time to time you shure do.
Dynamiittiukko
Fistful of Finns
#83 - 2014-08-19 15:50:14 UTC
This is extremely good news!

I seriously hope the restriction loosening means a dramatic increase in the amount of bookmarks you can copy at one time. This coming from a person who makes most of his ISK by selling bookmarks and has copied a bare minimum of 150,000 of them - 5 at a time.

While you do get quite good and fast at copying bookmarks over time it's still frustrating to be able to only copy max 5 at a time. I would seriously love being able to copy an entire region's (~125-500) bookmarks at once.

Certainly doesn't hurt if moving the bookmarks from a container to your People & Places becomes significantly faster too. My Stain bookmark pack has 485 bookmarks and it may take up to 2 hours to move them, depending on server load.

.d
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-08-19 17:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Valenthe de Celine
Marox Calendale wrote:
Valenthe de Celine wrote:
Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over.

Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement?

That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important. Roll

Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but if not I guess you never lived in a WH with an alliance or coalition. Sharing 40 - 50 Bookmarks is not a rare thing, if you do.
So I know certain people who say that this bookmark patch is the only important change CCP is providing with Hyperion.

Actually, I was being serious. For now, this change is just them taking a limiter off already existing mechanics. I do agree some modicum of graciousness might be in order, but it feels less like a feature than a footnote.

You just named the real issue here, and it's not one of copying bookmarks 50 at a time, it's one of not being able to share within an alliance. I know the pain of having to share a stack of bookmarks between characters who aren't in the same corp, but there is a very simple solution to that, though its also dangerous and distasteful: Get everyone into the same corporation. Until the dreamed of ideas for alliance bookmarks come into existence, this is the only real way to effectively share bookmarks for a wormhole lifestyle.

As to the idea of alliance-wide bookmarks... This does create some complex and difficult choices about how bookmarks may be added or, more importantly, deleted, but those are decisions for if/when alliance bookmarks come into being. I would recommend that bookmark sharing be allowing a corp to mirror (without allowing them to be changed by other corps) a set of bookmarks from a folder in the originating corporation. If another corp wishes to share their bookmarks, they could mirror them as well into this new location. It allows a "look but don't touch" access level, and preserves the original locations for the creating corp so they can't be locked out or waylaid while exploring a chain. It isn't a perfect solution, but it might be a possible one for the moment, without is becoming a tool for internal information warfare via deletion of key locations. (Most corp members would be wise to keep a set of personal bookmarks for locations anyhow, but that's just my level of paranoia showing.)
unimatrix0030
Mass Collapse
It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
#85 - 2014-08-26 19:50:32 UTC
So what did change?

No local in null sec would fix everything!

The Hessian
ANGST.
Initiative Mercenaries
#86 - 2014-08-27 05:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: The Hessian
unimatrix0030 wrote:
So what did change?


You can copy 10 BM in one go instead of 5 and its faster .. thats it.

"The speed at which players can copy bookmark locations has been increased, and the throttling limits have been lowered."
King Akira
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-08-27 06:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: King Akira
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#88 - 2014-08-27 07:01:58 UTC
OH my god the SPEEEEED!!

+1
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2014-08-27 19:00:14 UTC
I am very happy to see at least one aspect of Hyperion added a beneficial change to the game.
Moloney
Omnivores of Mediocrity
#90 - 2014-08-27 19:48:51 UTC
Completely useless when your corp moves out of WHs due to the rest of the changes.
realdognose
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-08-27 22:11:21 UTC
+1 so far.

+1 for Alliance Bookmarks.

(or even better: Deployable Alliance-Beacons with a maximum lifetime of 24hours - could be nice for 0.0-Fleets as well)
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2014-08-27 22:29:18 UTC
Moloney wrote:
Completely useless when your corp moves out of WHs due to the rest of the changes.

Not true. When you place your WH on the market and sell it for pennies, the new bookmark copying feature will benefit you greatly as you sell off all that used to matter to you to some yokel that doesn't know how bad things are now. Lol
Pro TIps
Doomheim
#93 - 2014-09-01 10:58:27 UTC
I thought the copying restrictions would be lifted more than they have been. I can copy 10 BMs at a time now, instead of 5. I still experienced a multi-minute delay between copy operations. Also, updating the corp bookmarks remains slow.

Was I doing this at a time when the "bookmark server" is busy; or are the limits still pretty low? I am not impressed.
unimatrix0030
Mass Collapse
It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
#94 - 2014-09-01 20:30:52 UTC
I realy like the 10 bm limit.
I just copied 34 bookmarks to pass the scanned change to an other corp in the alliance.
Although alliance or fleet bookmarks would be more handy , i think it will help us .
The big number of wormholes makes it that a lot of copying of bm's are nescesairy.
I would love to have an easier way to know if you have 10 bm's selected or not.
Maybe add some column in the bm list with a number so when you need to copy 34 bm's you know you have done 1-10 ,11-20 and still need to do 20-30 and 30-34.
Now we are just counting them.
Maybe some UI magic could help?
Say if you select 12 bm's the last 2 selected ones have a different collor or something. So you can see that you need to go back a few.

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#95 - 2014-09-02 04:11:58 UTC
+1 Decent change, though - this seems to favor large corps and alliances more than small corps. We jumped on the alliance band-wagon to avert getting ****ed by these changes. Net effect? Blue donut-ing WH space. *golf clap*
Kinraka
Things To Do...
#96 - 2014-09-02 04:44:28 UTC
Traiori wrote:
This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.

I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people.

+1 to alliance bookmarks

[u]Sheep shagger from way back [/u]

Kristian Hackett
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#97 - 2014-09-05 03:30:35 UTC
Here's what needs to happen - the ability to copy a SINGLE bookmark linked by one player into a chat into your personal folder. No grand alliance schemes or anything like that. I'm annoyed that I can't copy a bookmark I made for one corp in my Alliance into my personal folder now that I've moved into a different corp within the same Alliance.

Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up. "Life is too short to drink cheap beer."

Newt BlackCompany
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-09-30 04:28:44 UTC
1) allow copying of bm's from corp bm's directly. Right now, you have to copy them to your personal bm's before you can duplicate them to a container.

2) allow sharing of bm's in chats via a link, just like we share fits and locations and such. After all, a bm is really just a set of coordinates.

3) allow copying of any number (up to the 250 bm or whatever limit) of bm's at once. doing it 10-by-10 is tedious.

4) wasn't there something discussed about alliance-level bm's? That'd be a very good idea - at least until pos and corp permissions are fixed so that I don't need to be in a different corp to online a reactor array, or otherwise also have the rights to offline the pos shields!

Thanks,
Newt