Missions & Complexes

You can have a frigate doing one or the other (barely) but not both at the same time. Hell, if you could do both, you wouldn't be able to apply any DPS anyway. Not with that speed at that range.

I hope all missions become like these.

You could get the 80km by dropping a Bouncer or Warden from an Ishkur.

Whether an Ishkur can be tweaked enough for 8 km/s is another question.

I honestly cannot find a way to look at these missions in a way this is not positive. What is not to like? New content, new challenges for PvE, at least for a couple of days before they get figured out. Rewards being tweaked to stay in line with current lvl 4 missions. Some attempt to prevent blitz-farming by mixing them in with lvl 4s instead of dedicated agents.

It all seems pretty well thought out to me.

What I hear in this thread and the feedback thread is a bunch of jealousy bearing. Some people seem to be afraid that they won't be able to take advantage of the rewards from these missions because they don't have high-level frigate skills on their mission toons.

Good grief. Get over it already. And realize that if things work out, this could be the beginning of some nice things for PvE if we get cruiser, BC, and BS versions of these missions, which I hope we do.

Bingo. Anyone who is running lvl 4s efficiently could be doing these burner missions by the time they get released if they started training the day they were announced instead of whining.

What exactly makes that fit a joke?

You are correct when dealing with player characters who can think, adapt and counter a brawler fit. I do feel that against the NPC's discussed herein, within the context of these PVE/PVP hybrid, burner missions, I think once could effectively yo-yo the NPC into scram and Web range.

I'm sure a Worm would work as well, but I do like a good up close and personal brawl

Just remember, you're also in web and scram range (and some of them do scram, not disrupt) for them, too. Also some of them use afterburners, so I would switch out the scram in those cases for something else. Another web, I suppose. Since this fit uses rockets, which like all missiles react badly to fast ships. If you can't scram the afterburner burners, you can at least double web them.

I think he meant like...

Actually fun and a little bit challenging rather that just watching Netflix

I am looking forward to the burner missions.

There are lots of people who don't like the bigger ships, or more expensive ships. I'm totally cool with allowing people to do level 4 missions in ships less than BS and T3 hulls, and if the payout is about the same as a regular level 4, the difficulty needs to be increased, since your only risking frig sized ships.

I'm ok with being told what to expect in the fight. I think the next logical step is to have a higher payout mission and be told much less, maybe something like "your opponent is in a Amarr frigate sized vessal" and not be told anything about what kind of attacks or tactics that will be used.

Someone said that this was CCP's way of forcing more PvP. Ridiculous. It's an optional mission with no penalty for declining. What part of optional is not understood?

If anything, I see this as a way to ease newbies into more PvP, much like FW was intended to be. Cheap ships, presumably they wont be podded if they loose, difficult opponents, not being baited for a hot drop to kill your frigate.

Not everyone will like them, but they are totally optional, and could be a fun addition to mission runnners.